[nogenhat]

lets see: 1. VK (Vkontakte) - Miralashvili, part of REK, friend of Sobchak and Putin :) 2. Wildberries - under patronage of Rosnef from the start. 3. Magnit - Galitskiy told from the beginning that he had to have a relationship with the government.

[ivan_gammel]

This is not what is called "control". Just some stories from the old times, something that could happen anywhere.

1. Father of one of the co-founders had a business in St.Petersburg in 1990s, but already in 2001 he was arrested for kidnapping charges. Doesn't sound like a "friend", does not prove Putin's control over VK at that moment.

2. Source? The only thing I know is that the founder is distant relative of a person, who became VP in Rosneft in 2016, long after the company was founded. Quite a stretch for "patronage", though they could use their connections to defend from raider attacks and extortion.

3. Every large company in every country has some relationship with the government. This is not the same as control, not the same as having political influence over the company and not the same as using the business for embezzling the funds for political purposes. I know some companies where their GR was basically a CSO playing tennis with an old friend from FSB, which kept them under the radar of the regime - I would not even call it corruption (how often can you see a DA in USA playing golf with some businessman?). You have to be more specific.

The reason why government or affiliated oligarchs take over the businesses, is to gain control because they did not have it before.

[nogenhat]

1. Yeh, your presentation is pretty friendly. Putin probably do not know what the k VK is, cause the all news he received through literally files :) But if you think that there is 'ex' in their circle of relationships - you are completely wrong. The fact that he was arrested actually proves it.

2. Look into Bell research against widberries, its quite public.

3. Yep, fair point.

[ivan_gammel]

>But if you think that there is 'ex' in their circle of relationships - you are completely wrong. The fact that he was arrested actually proves it.

Sorry, I do not understand this. I did not mean literally Putin himself, but VK was not in any relationship with anyone from his inner circle (e.g. Timchenko, Rotenberg) or other oligarchs (e.g. Matvienko clan). Founders were forced to sell the company under pressure exactly because the government intended to get control over the most important social network, which it did not have.

>Look into Bell research against widberries, its quite public.

Do you mean the one from which I got information about relatives? https://thebell.io/nastoyashhaya-istoriya-wildberries-kak-ta...

It is a typical success story of an online retail business. It actually does not show anything that could be even slightly resemble affiliation with Putin and his inner circle. I know other relatively big companies which had similar growth trajectory and are still controlled by their founders.

[nogenhat]

//. Founders were forced to sell the company under pressure exactly because the government intended to get control over the most important social network, which it did not have.// Lol, I assume you didn't believe the 'story' that Pasha was forced to sell his company?

//It is a typical success story of an online retail business. It actually does not show anything that could be even slightly resemble affiliation with Putin and his inner circle. I know other relatively big companies which had similar growth trajectory and are still controlled by their founders.//

In Russia? really? show me them. For now, I think you are really trying to look fav into Russian biz-scene, but that's not the case for the last 9 years. You either work with gov or you f-ked. That the rule here. Last example is Tinkoff, who at the beginning of his bank licked Putin ass as hard as he could, but now was forced to sell )

[ivan_gammel]

>In Russia? really? show me them

I will not give you a name, but this is a large online DYI retailer with over $0.5B in revenue. I know execs from there personally.

>For now, I think you are really trying to look fav into Russian biz-scene, but that's not the case for the last 9 years.

You probably forgot that we were talking about 2000s, not 2010s. Until 3rd term of Putin relationship of business and siloviki was usually transactional, but the economy was booming and the pie was big enough that some of the businesses were operating unnoticed. After events of 2012-2014 many things changed, but the climate was still tolerable - new companies were starting (e.g. Miro - it's great that they relocated early), there was visible progress in quality of life in big cities etc. 24.02.2022 changed everything.