[dingoegret12]

I work mostly in terminal and won't use clunky IDE programs. I need to be able to

0. Export/upload my source

1. Import/download my remote source

2. Compile my source for different targets

3. Cleanup my source and my compiled source

5. Do all the above for different versions/locations of my source

6. Do all the above for source not my own

7. Do all the above with a simple command and or a simple key->value in a config file

Then I need to do all the above with

8. using a terminal on my personal computer

9. on a remote server using ssh'ed terminal

10. in a script automation file like a docker file or maybe a vim script that setups my dev environment

11. Have 0 - 10 be so easy to do, basically a simple command or two, that I don't have to spend days figuring out tooling FOR EACH TASK and googling mystical error messages for solutions on obscure forums posted 2009.

I stayed with Rust because it has good tooling. Because it's the one thing that hasn't driven me insane at one point or another. I wanted to program in Haskell and c, but I am so sick of the terrible tooling and the terrible conventions of the communities (something Go at least gets right) that I instead program in Rust, a language I enjoy less for it's merit as a language.

[dingoegret12]

Mind you I haven't even mentioned the complexities involved in making dependencies optional, platform specific.

I haven't mentioned conditional compilation.

I haven't mentioned respecting the configuration options of dependencies.

The tooling has to at least do all that using the same syntax for commands and configuration. It has to be predictable enough that I can almost figure it out myself. No black magic.

[scoutt]

You have to do a lot of things. I don't envy you at all!

I work mostly in IDEs and won't use the clunky command line if I have an alternative. After all, it's the year 2022. Why working like it's 1991? I don't want to spoil you the end of the movie, but I have this hunch that graphical user interfaces are the future.

And I don't see what you can't do with VS or Qt. Maybe setting up your toolchain with a script or using terminals (which I don't know what have to do with programming IDEs).

I do most of the above with fricking KEIL uVision for a myriad of microcontrollers!

I compile and edit whole Android OS with VSCode and the integrated SSH terminal! (I hate to use the command line, though!).

[dingoegret12]

The point of not strapping a clunky IDE to my workflow is that a terminal offers flexibility and mobility that I (and everyone who programs in 2022. Maybe not you tho) need to fulfill line items 0-10.

Cargo add pkgname on my computer.

Cargo add pkgname on a ssh session.

Cargo add pkgname in a docker script.

Wow the same process for doing it on my dev pc is the same everywhere else! Amazing. What do you do to automate deployment? ssh in and install your whole graphical tool then write a mouse macro to click the compile button?

You are taking a vacation with a U-Haul truck filled with your furniture. I am taking a vacation with a backpack.

[scoutt]

It seems we don’t go on vacation to the same places.

There is no need for ssh’ing or recompiling.

For embedded I just give a bin file with everything in it. Use your favorite flashing tool.

For the rest, I can make an installer right from the ide. You know, the kind of 3 click installers the whole world is used to in 2022. An installer I can give grandma. Huge success from the 90’s.

Or maybe redistribute my program with a mobile app market. I can do that from my ide too!

Or maybe I’ll just handle a zip file with everything in it.

I’m afraid you can’t see it’s YOU who are in a niche, and not the other way around.

[dingoegret12]

App store? A windows installer? So you just make user apps? Then publish them on existing platforms built by programmers who had to think about all the complexities you blissfully pretend don't exist?

Just email me a binary to flash with a usb stick? Here's a link to download a zip file, just drag and drop into file explorer. Totally scalable stuff. But then again you just make calculators for the android app store, so I guess you're fine.

[scoutt]

Nope. I do embedded C/C++ and what you can read above. I occasionally do some tooling for desktop or low level APIs. But I know what ides are capable of.

Dont make the mistake of thinking you are better than others, otherwise you’ll keep feeding the general feeling of Rust cultism and you’ll end up programming in niche languages from the command line, 1991 style.

[dingoegret12]

You are really obsessed with this 1991 stuff. And here I thought the common prejudice was that only boomers were still stuck using IDE programs. I think you believe yourself to be in an ego battle and that's just not the case for me.