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by rosndo 1511 days ago
Not really. If you weren’t a prolific HN commenter this would be the top comment here.

Right now you’re making an extraordinary claim with zero evidence. Pointing this out isn’t “out of line”.

E: As it turns out, not only was I not out of line, I was also entirely correct. You wrote this tweet Jacques, you just forgot. It’s not unusual at your age.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31240589

It’s time for you to apologize.

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This is probably quite true.

Asserting that an elaborate full-scale Twitter hack is more probable than a single Twitter account (not protected by 2FA, from other comments), or a single machine hack, etc. is silly no matter how prolific of a HN user you are.

Statements like "There is no way that my account password was compromised without a much more elaborate hack of Twitter," are... questionable.

I'm not here to bash OP -- they may have been hacked or maybe Twitter was hacked, or something. But if this was me, or any non-prolific HN user, I'd have already been told to pound sand multiple times at this type of outrageous story with no evidence other than "my machines are secure".

Given that OP was making very pro-Ukraine statements and expressing their support for Ukraine on twitter up until that point, I believe it is extremely unlikely they just got drunk and tweeted "Die on the job..." to a pro-Ukrainian publisher called The Kyiv Independent. Even their HN reputation aside, it just doesn't make sense.

I am one of the first people to always take OP statements with a gran of salt in cases like this, but imo there is nothing indicating their own fault here at all. I am simply struggling to imagine any set of circumstances here under which that could have happened other than a hack/account takeover.

He posted in response to a tweet saying that Russian conscripts are expected to train on the job. In that context he's calling for Russians to die on the job, not Ukranians.
>I believe it is extremely unlikely they just got drunk and tweeted "Die on the job..."

Is it not even more unlikely that Twitter itself was hacked, just so someone could post this tweet as OP?

I agree it is an uncharacteristic tweet on the OPs behalf, but... If we are to believe OPs claim that there is "no possible way" their machine and/or account have been hacked... My next step isn't thinking "Well, all of Twitter must have been hacked".

> Is it not even more unlikely that Twitter itself was hacked, just so someone could post this tweet as OP?

Oh, if that's the point of the argument, then I totally agree with you.

I strongly doubt that Twitter itself was hacked. It makes way more sense that someone else simply got access to OP's account one way or another.

Maybe a compromised device, maybe a compromised network, maybe even just a regular account takeover. Who knows, not the first time I've seen someone being in denial about their own account not being as secure as they believed it was (which is extra ironic, given that OP admitted not having 2FA set up for that account).

Twitter wasn’t hacked. OPs twitter account wasn’t hacked. OPs computer wasn’t hacked.

OP wrote this tweet and forgot. When read in context, it’s perfectly in line with pro-Ukraine views previously expressed on his account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31240589

Oh god, the more I read, the more I actually think your guess might be correct.

Even OP himself, once questioned, didn't really deny, and was just going around the fact by saying he doesn't know why he got banned, and that he wants to figure out whether he did it as well.

On top of being "totally certain" that no one got unauthorized access to their account, all while having no 2FA set up, I just give up my attempt to bother understanding some people. I have zero idea how it is possible to tweet something and then not being able to tell whether you actually tweeted it yourself when presented with a screenshot. But, from what I am seeing OP say in the thread, it seems like a very strong possibility.

Yes, it is more unlikely. But I have an unbroken record of many years of being able to maintain my accounts without any compromises and to date have not seen anything even remotely like this happen. Twitter on the other hand...
>* But I have an unbroken record of many years of being able to maintain my accounts without any compromises*

If I was paid a quarter every time I heard a similar line during an emergency incidence response, I wouldn't need to be working incidence response anymore.

No one gets hacked, until they do. Everyone claims they have the best password, the most secure machine, the most cautious of habits. Then they get hacked. Everyone gets hacked.

True. Which is why I would really love to know one way or another how this was done.
I’m Ukrainian, very pro-West Ukrainian at that.

I absolutely despise Kyiv Independent for working to discredit real journalists by pushing completely absurd propaganda, like the “ghost of Kyiv” lie.

These things are more complicated than they might seem at first glance.

From a quick glance at the "In Comments" section of the HN FAQ...yes, OP is quite correct that your "More likely story..." comment is way out of line.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Sorry, I totally missed the “Blindly believe all outrageous claims posted on HN” part of the guidelines. My bad.