[Brian_K_White]

They aren't literally claiming a physical requirement, they are describing todays most common workflow.

If I said you need to install 100's of mb of gcc to produce a binary, would you say "no you don't? you can write bytes directly from the shell right into a file" It would be a technical fact, and yet kind of stupid to pretend not to understand that today, in all practical senses, one produces a binary with a compiler suite of one sort or another.

Today, it's a growing trend that software is developed using huge ides and stacks of frameworks. And a new developer is started right off at the highest most abstract (most automatic and magic, sold as most "productive" or "practical") layers possible, which requires the fattest of ides and the tallest of stacks.

[pikaynu]

Yo! exactly my point. I never expect new devs to be experts. But the labor I am spending to teach one of those newbies (well 1.5yrs of experience) about how to check for a port listening is just astonishing. Being a whiz and knowing the basics of the environment you are working with daily, there is a difference.