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by nonrandomstring 1512 days ago
> The impression I have — and I’d be very interested to find out if I’m right or wrong — is that governments basically all spy on each other all the time

Yes. That's exactly what NSA, GCHQ, MI6 etc are tasked to do.[1]

The problem came when foreign intelligence got confused with domestic intelligence. This is further compounded by the change in procurement of specialist technologies that the army or government offices might once have had. In the 80s a prime-minister would communicate with a special "scrambler" (supplied by the security services and designed against foreign espionage). Today everyone uses the same gear made in China, and the market for offensive cyberweapons is both international and privatised.

Here is a quote from [2]

  "" For complex reasons the US embargo on Huawei, while looking like
  a trade dispute, more or less proves this. Simply; western phones
  have backdoors and remote controls for western governments. Chinese
  phones have backdoors for Communist Party intelligence
  apparatus. Each spies on their own citizens and everybody is happy
  (except the citizens that end up in camps). It's the presence of the
  other's spyware within the respective borders/markets that is the
  problem, do you see?

  So when these powers fell out, or failed to reach agreement on data
  sharing, this escalated into an issue with clear symmetry. We see
  that products by Apple, Google or Amazon are to be trusted no more
  than Huawei handsets. Indeed, the safest phone for a Chinese citizen
  is probably an Apple iPhone, whereas the safest phone for a western
  civilian would be a Huawei, because historically, people are most
  risk from their *own* government's domestic surveillance than a
  foreign government's international surveillance. ""
The upshot of this is that offensive cyberweapons, which are indiscriminate, persistent, reusable and infinitely replicatable at near zero cost (all the worst qualities of a weapon on par with bioweapons) affect all strata of society. Politicians, military generals, schoolteachers and pizza delivery guys are equally exposed. This marks a significant transition that blurs the boundaries between civil and military war, as the current Russo-Ukraine conflict shows. We're all soldiers now.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-20...

[2] https://digitalvegan.net