[__derek__]

> But these products weren't designed by Jony Ive all by himself.

This goes for iOS 7 and the iPhone 5c as well, no?

[vineyardmike]

I think the OP is saying that they’re basically a refresh of a design that was conceived while Steve Jobs was alive.

Eg. The clean aluminum case and the black keys etc. It looks fundamentally the same.

Contrast with the butterfly keyboard, which was new in a post jobs world. And universally a disaster.

[jen20]

Not “universally”. I have a stock of 2016-18 era laptops because they are the only thing I can comfortably type on for extended periods. I prefer them to every laptop that came before and every one that has come since.