[imiric]

> WhatsApp, Signal, and Apple

One of these is not like the others. I have a hard time trusting Meta's and Apple's claims about privacy, including E2EE. They're both billion-dollar corporations with a history of deceiving marketing practices and data leaks. Meta's business model in particular is based on advertising and abusing users' privacy. Why should we trust WhatsApp has their users' best interests in mind, when the company that runs it makes a profit from exploiting user data? To say that it's a conflict of interest would be an understatement.

Good luck with your app, but please don't recommend Meta and Apple products to users concerned with privacy.

[bdominy]

Meta and Apple can both be sued or fined heavily if they are misrepresenting their use of e2ee. Signal has maybe 100 million users, but WhatsApp and Apple account for over 2 billion. They've done more to improve security in the text messaging space than any other group. Maybe they are doing it because they don't want data leaks any more than you do, or they sense the trend towards respecting user's privacy and want to at least appear to care. In any case, we should encourage this adoption of end-to-end encryption and support it where it makes sense.