[bonzini]

> half of these European countries had absolutely nothing exceptional going on mortality wise between 2020 and June 2021

That's not how I read it. First, all except Norway, Finland, Estonia, Denmark had at least +20% in 2020. Second, it's the peak that the graph plots so you cannot use it to take conclusions over the whole year. All the graph can tell you is how hard the country was hit by the spring 2021 wave compared to 2020.

[cas14655]

I am talking about this table:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/download/table?format=xlsx&uri=/peopl...

(warning excel)

It shows that of the 32 European countries 17 didn't even exceed an excess of 5% in the whole period from 2020-01 to 2021-06.

[bonzini]

The way I read it, almost all countries had extra mortality despite lockdowns, and despite a very mild flu year in 2020 and flu being basically not a thing in 2021.

In fact the only countries with negative mortality are either islands or the northern Europe countries which have long been known to be outliers.