[tmitchel2]

100% this. These dairy cows aren't magically unlocking some deeply seated fossil carbon and farting it into the atmosphere. Nature already has a carbon cycle that works in harmony between plants and animals, let's try and work with it and emulate it rather than use even more energy and other resources to produce these highly processed goods. If you are vegan go for it, if you care about the environment stick with milk made from cows which graze on open grass land.

[karmakurtisaani]

I spot at least 2 common fallacies here:

1. "Work with nature" - what does that even mean?

2. "Stick with cows which graze on open grass land" - the amount of such cows is a tiny fraction of all cows. How will I know how to get to those cows?

I'm not even a vegan, but also hold no delusions about milk products.

[tmitchel2]

Working with nature emulating it, as in biomimicry, something we so far seem to be terrible at as a human race.

I guess it's a very localised problem because just under 90% is grass fed in the UK. I can Google grass fed beef and get a lot of hits to indicate where I need to shop or I could ask the local butcher.