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by wbsss4412 1509 days ago
Doctors are inherently risk averse, all that means is “we don’t know, and there’s not much downside to not doing it, so we might as well advise against”.

Saying “no one can say” means they literally have no idea. It’s not all that different than the statement “no one can say that 5G doesn’t cause cancer”.

Note that phytoestrogens are categorically not human estrogen, they are simply compounds that mimic some of estrogen’s properties.

Also of note: breast milk contains estrogen.
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cyberlurker 1509 days ago
Many doctors also tell pregnant women to stay away from soy. One doctor linked me to a study that male babies from mothers that drank soy during pregnancy had statistically smaller genitalia.

You might be right about “overly cautious” but I think doctors being that way is more reputable than gym rats quoting their favorite fitness blog.

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wbsss4412 1509 days ago
Pregnant women have been consuming soy foods for thousands of years in East Asia, there should be an overwhelmingly large amount of studies that suggest ill effects to weigh against that.
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bipson 1509 days ago
Pregnant women have been consuming all kinds of food for centuries.

We also took insane child mortality numbers and all kinds of defects for granted.

Our mothers still consumed food that has a tendency to contain/grow listeria. Then it was found in several cases where the reason for the death of the child was not known.

Now pregnant women (at least in Europe) are strongly advised to avoid products from raw milk and uncooked meat (hams and salami.

Things change, and not without a reason.

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wbsss4412 1509 days ago
Yes, and those changes happened in the face of clear and overwhelming scientific evidence.

I’m not advocating blind adherence to tradition, I’m simply stating that the Null hypothesis is that soy foods are perfectly fine for health, until actual scientific evidence proves otherwise. All that exists not amounts to nothing more than conjecture, which, given the amount of attention this topic has gotten over the years, one would presume more evidence would be present by now.

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