[jordanskole]

Hows this for a brand. We are hard working and dedicated and if you cant hack the flat mountainless humid summers and frigid winters, you can sit your sissy ass somewhere else. What we do have is a greasy, leather-palmed commitment to revitalization and a group of people you would be crazy to call 'soft.' architecturally we are a powerhouse. You see decay and and decline in abundance we see the freedom of a city that has hit a bottom and is willing to support anything to climb back up to the top. We have a lot of people with your attitude living here currently, and I offer them all $100 subsidy for their moving vans.

You are certainly right about the space though. Think about having an internet startup that sells its G&S anywhere in the world, why spend $1800 on an apartment elsewhere when you can spend half that and live in a creative urban area, and spend the other half on travel, or your startup.

Lastly, and the most important thing we have going for us, is momentum. We get a fair amount of comments like this, but we used to get a fair amount more. This place is nothing like it was 2 years ago and has changed even more drastically over the past 5 years.

[sarcasm]if you want to strike tech gold and buy $1000 sunglasses and flirt with plastic blondes and surf duuuude then head out west,[/sarcasm] but if you want agency - if you want to affect change, and be part of a movement, if you want to influence a renaissance then send me a message and I will be more than happy to subsidize your plane ticket here to help me count cranes.

[davidw]

If you want "manly weather", I think Alaska or Montana have more going for them, along with pretty much all of the West with or without good weather. Growing up in Oregon though, at a certain point I realized I could either spend my life being 'tough' about the weather, or actually enjoying it someplace where it doesn't suck. Making fun of Californians for being "sissies", as you put it, about the rain only goes so far in lessening it's disagreeableness.

It sounds like you're doing good work, which is admirable, but it seems as if you're fighting two battles - one to make your startup work, and one to make the place work. Fighting on two fronts is rarely a good idea.