[noduerme]

Eh, no. Airbnb rentals don't go for 3-6 months. (So what I was doing wouldn't have even been possible via their website). I wasn't "living like a hipster", I wasn't on a work-vacation. There was no "cheating" involved, since all the people who post on Airbnb also post on other websites, local and international. Airbnb just had a nicer map.

It ain't cheating Airbnb if the landlord is happy to cut out the middleman. And when I stay in a place I learn the language and live there and try to integrate into society. I'm not there to party for a weekend. What I'm referring to with the hollowing out of city centers like Lisbon, Prague, Amsterdam... people like me renting there for 3-6 months are not a threat to people who live and work there, because I'm negotiating close-to standard price for a furnished apartment (and the owner knows that the stability of being paid up front makes up for the extra they might make if their Airbnb were booked every day). So no, I wouldn't be treating the place as a tourist destination or undermining the locals, or partying and reducing their quality of life in their own places next door.

[personlurking]

I agree with some of the criticism towards you and also with some of your rebuttals, but one thing your above comment doesn't take into account is that you effectively are part of the problem still.

I've been a nomad for over a dozen years and usually find ways to rent medium-term, ex. 6-12 months (and in some cases, long-term). I do as you do, and integrate into society, speak the local language, etc. But even so, I am participating in taking local housing from locals because in some cases I know I'm paying an increased rate (vs local rate), or I'm using what otherwise would be used as an Airbnb for living.

I spent 5 yrs in Lisbon, while renting at local rates, as the city went from ungentrified to gentrified, so I considered it my home and loved the city. But I sat there and watched as it was ruined by tourism and the hoards of short-term visitors. That quality of life I loved so much was destroyed in front of my eyes. I even went back a few years later to try living there again and it was even worse than when I left. All I mean to say is that there is no winning as a nomad, either I'm greatly affected by short-term housing, tourism and gentrification or I'm helping it along.

[noduerme]

That's valid - and Lisbon is an extreme, and heartbreaking example. It's been a victim of its own beauty. It's also extremely compact, making all the central real estate wildly more expensive. There's an unavoidable truth to the fact that when everyone wants to go to a place - often because of its local charm and reputation as a "real" living, walkable city (an anachronism in America) - prices go up, local people are displaced, and the place turns into a gentrified theme park, a shadow of what it once was. It's happening here in Portland. I saw it in Granada. Prague is a desperate example. I don't have an answer for it. I personally draw the line at allowing normal apartment units to be used as one- or two-night hotel rooms. Prior to Airbnb, short term furnished rentals existed but generally had to be sought through local property management companies, and the incentives for landlords still favored finding tenants who would stay as long as possible, if only because the scheduling and turnover system was so much less efficient.

Bottom line: I don't think it's necessarily destructive for people to go live in a foreign place, get to know the culture and try it out for the mid- to long-term. But I think that's in a wholly different category from tourists who use airbnb in lieu of hotels. And the tourist contingent is orders of magnitude larger and more disruptive to cities than long-term nomads who tend to spread out.

Just for instance; when we lived in Saigon, we lived way out in District 5. In Bangkok we lived in On Nut, at that time the end of the sky train. In both places we were the only farang we would normally see unless we went to the tourist areas for some reason. And in Europe, we lived mainly in villages of a few thousand people, not in cities. When staying somewhere for a few nights or even a few weeks, we stayed in hotels, not airbnb (I'm personally not comfortable with staying in airbnb's short-term because I don't like being in someone's private space, don't trust the quality, don't want to deal with individual landlords' rules and quirks, am wary of hidden cameras, etc., but that's just me).

There's no winning as a nomad, it's true. But I think most of us are keenly aware that we don't want to contribute to the destruction of the places we visit and live, and in fact tend not to cluster in the touristic town centers where housing is already scarce.

[ErneX]

3-6 months rentals are not what people usually lease for, at least here it's 3 to 5 years contracts and then keep extending for one year periods. Any flat here rented for 3 to 6 months is a holiday rental and besides being more expensive it's one flat less available for the people that actually want to live in the city.

[noduerme]

Typically I was only paying about 20% more than unfurnished neighboring apartments per month, which is fair since utilities were included. There will always be furnished apartments with shorter leases for business travelers. I think I provided a good case for why it's better to accept a reasonable, lower rate to have long-term, stable tenants. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to freely travel, but hotels are for weekends and vacations. "Holiday apartment" is somewhere in the middle. Those will always exist, too. It's fine as long as they don't eviscerate the city. There is a balance.

One of the most successful pushes against Airbnb taking over whole neighborhoods has been in cities which set a floor on the minimum number of nights. This at least changes the economic calculus enough to persuade landlords to consider long term local renters a little bit more.

[AlwaysRock]

I'm currently living in a 3 month airbnb rental and have a 6 month airbnb rental lined up next...

[dreamcompiler]

> Airbnb rentals don't go for 3-6 months. (So what I was doing wouldn't have even been possible via their website).

They certainly do. Airbnb host here. Most of my tenants stay from 6-18 months.