[ncmncm]

You may continue posting falsehoods, and I will continue pointing them out.

We don't need "something" to make storage cheap. Storage is cheap, and is getting cheaper.

Again, we are not building storage out yet because we don't have enough renewables to charge it from yet. Instead, we are right now building out factories to make it. E.g., the factories to make iron-air batteries, $20/kWh, are under construction right now. Ammonia synthesis plants are under construction right now. Tankage for ammonia is dirt cheap. No breakthroughs needed, just build-out.

When we do get to building out storage itself, it will be cheaper than it already is.

[seanhunter]

Rather than stating that their (sourced) claims are false, perhaps you could post some sources for your claims instead? For example, it would be great to see references for the cost of storage and why storage isn't being built yet.

[ncmncm]

It is easy to lie by mis-citing sources. Read what the sources say, not what he says.

[seanhunter]

It's easy to throw around accusations that other people are lieing, but it seems counterproductive to having healthy debate on here.

[ncmncm]

It is more than enough work just pointing it out each time he posts a falsehood.

[tomp]

It would also be amazing if you posted any sources, or examples.

All we know is that France has cheap electricity (nuclear) and Germany majestically fucked up by shutting down nuclear, wanting to build renewables, and in turn ended up addicted to Russian carbon drugs.

[ncmncm]

That is a favorite trope of nuke boosters, but is false. Everyone repeating it knows this:

Germany was always dependent on fossil fuels. They have been adding wind turbines at a breakneck pace, getting incrementally less dependent. Fixing those ramshackle old contraptions would have cost much more per unit power out. They have already built out more wind generating capacity (averaged) than the reactors shut down produced. Germans, anyway, know this.

France is not building new nukes, nor even patching up old ones, because it is extremely expensive, and not getting any cheaper.

When people have to lie to try to make nukes look good, what are they really telling us?

[mlyle]

> France is not building new nukes, nor even patching up old ones, because it is extremely expensive, and not getting any cheaper.

False! https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220210-announcing-new-r...

[ncmncm]

I am updated with new information as of 2022/02/10.

More the fools them.