[LandR]

I don't know how people can say go "gets out of the way".

Go makes me write dozens of lines of code to do something simple that in an any modern language takes a few.

It doesn't get out of the way, it gets in the way constantly. I'm constantly thinking in any modern language I can just do X, but in Go with its myriad missing features I have to sit and think about how I'm going to do it with just loops and if statements.

It's the exact opposite of getting out the way, don't even get me started on the syntactic verbosity.

[sangnoir]

> Go makes me write dozens of lines of code to do something simple that in an any modern language takes a few.

"Getting out of the way" doesn't mean it takes fewer keystrokes - it just means that you don't have to think about it / there are no surprises. It took me a while to grok what pythonic code is and looks like, and I feel the bar for Go is even lower. Even if you're browsing an unfamiliar codebase, code is exactly where you expect it to be, and you don't have to ponder on where to make your changes. To me, that is how a language moves out of the way; it fades into the background and you mostly concern yourself with the logic.

[throwaway894345]

Most programmers aren't bottlenecked by keyboard proficiency, but rather by dealing with poor tooling or gratuitously complex programs ("terse" doesn't entail "simple", and very often it's the inverse).

[xigoi]

That's a strawman. We're not advocating for terseness in character count (otherwise we'd be using languages like APL and Jelly), but for better abstractions. There are other benefits than character count.

* Having a lot of repetitive code makes it easy to make a mistake when you edit one copy and forget about the others. * A lack of abstraction can obscure intent, making you focus on implementation details. * Having less code overall makes it easier to keep track of it in your head.