[SnowHill9902]

Statistical mechanics is one way of representing entropy but you don’t need it. The second law of thermodynamics can be expressed in other much more general terms. Also it requires that the system be isolated not “thermally isolated”. There’s other types of interactions such as gravitational and electromagnetic.

[ravi-delia]

I mean, come on. You know and I know that the statistical mechanics definition gets you 99% of the way there in terms of intuition. Obviously if I spin a rotor in my thermally insulated box with a magnet on the outside I can add energy to order things with, I don't think anyone is confused on that point.

[SnowHill9902]

Well, claiming to having understood entropy is no joke. He should be flawless then. Just like with enlightenment he who claims to understand entropy really does not and he who does will not say so.

[chermi]

Can you explain what you mean by "not needing stat mech" and thermo entropy being "more general"?