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by leviathant 5364 days ago
I've found it's not that hard to balance frugality with, well, spending money. They can actually work quite well together. So while most of my wardrobe is still acquired from thrift-shops, I also bought my most recent car without taking out a loan. I liked not having car payments, but needed a new car for a road trip we're taking next year, so I tuned my budget and saved cash to buy a car outright.

Just because you're frugal doesn't mean you can't have nice things. My wife just bought me a $600 leather jacket (that I've admittedly been too frugal to pull the trigger on) -- for $450, new, via eBay. My 10 year old set of Sennheisers were showing their age, so I bought HD595s. MRSP $329, Craigslist price? $100, new in the box. My other car's radiator was shot - and if I can develop loan disbursement software and ecommerce stuff, surely I can handle changing the radiator in my car, and did, saving myself hundreds of dollars. And these are just things I buy, not even going into the stuff I do.

On that last one though, there is definitely a balance you have to find between doing stuff yourself and better spending your time. My father would always wash his own car, but I can drive two blocks and spend $20 to have 8 guys and a giant machine wash it more quickly, and I'll pay someone else to change the oil.

In short, I think that your idea that "you'll probably be stuck that way for life" is absurd, and you're mistakenly mixing up the terms frugal and cheap.

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"I can develop loan disbursement software and ecommerce stuff, surely I can handle changing the radiator in my car, and did, saving myself hundreds of dollars."

Only if your time is worthless.

I say this not to be snarky, but because I found myself having to re-think these same decisions as I moved on from graduate school (where my time really was almost worthless...on a monetary basis), to having a real job that consumes most of my week. Life is too short to spend part of a weekend day (or more) changing a radiator. Much better to pay someone skilled at radiator replacement to make the problem go away (or in my case, to outsource the problem of owning a vehicle to Zipcar).

More generally, the older I get, the more stuff I try to outsource in an effort to viciously guard my spare time. Sometimes it feels a bit bourgoise (e.g. am I really so important that I'd pay someone to clean my apartment?) but it definitely helps to be able to put a dollar value on each hour of your life, and answer the question "would I pay someone $X an hour to do this?" If the answer is no, it's probably better to outsource.

You unreasonably discount the possibility of someone deriving enjoyment from working on their car.

I personally find it to be rather cathartic.

Indeed. Working on a car can be pleasant. Admittedly I do not currently- partly because bikes are more fun to work on, partly because I don't have a good space in which to work- but I hope someday to resume doing some repairs.
A fair point. If you find something enjoyable, then I agree the economic calculation is obviously different.
On the other hand, if you don't enjoy working on your car, presumably a professional mechanic would enjoy it better. And he would certainly enjoy the money.
Zen and the Art of Car Maintenance.
Ah, I thought I addressed that when I mentioned that I don't wash my own car. I don't do my own oil changes either.

The last decade of my life has been incredibly busy. It's nice to take a half hour and mow the lawn, or walk to Pep Boys, chat with the folks behind the counter, walk home with a radiator, and spend an hour figuring how to replace the old one without spilling coolant all over the driveway.

With all the coding I do, there's a satisfaction I get out of physical assembly and creation in things like home renovation or working on my car that doesn't, for me, ever feel the same coming from an LCD screen. Wiring up a three-way switch on both ends of a light bulb, throwing the breaker back on and having it work the first time, or buying a "broken" drum machine, opening it up and soldering the power connector back on, or tuck-pointing the stone foundation in my house.

I agree that spare time seems more and more fleeting as the years pass by. And though I'm sure there are interesting things for which you're saving your time, your not having mentioned them reminds me of a poem by Ogden Nash, "The Strange Case of Mr. Artesian's Conscientiousness" which Google shows me is quoted in full at http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69657&#3...

The trap here that I fell into during my youth is to ask this question at the wrong time....

Is going out on a date with my wife worth $X/hr ?

Is helping someone by giving them a lift worth $X/hr?

Is sitting down to read a book / watch a movie worth $X/hr?

Drove my wife crazy.

Is helping someone by giving them a lift worth $X/hr?

I've done that calculation from time to time, but I've always ended up concluding "yes, because I'll enjoy talking to this person for half an hour more than I would enjoy having an extra $50".

... which, depending on your perspective, either means that I understand that money really isn't worth a lot, or just that I'm desperately lonely.

And if you get 2 u-turn tickets and hit someones car by mistake before zip car, you can't use it or many of the other zipcar like services out there.
When you're working for yourself or in a situation where you can work more hours and make more money (freelance, sales, whatever) then you can lose money by being cheap. Anything that can be hired out at a lower hourly rate than your own should be hired out. The catch is that you actually have to spend that time you saved working and earning income!

If you have a fixed salary, though, you might as well do those things for yourself if you have the skill.

Well, if you have a fixed salary you probably work 40+ hours per week. This means your free time becomes scarce, and its value increases.
I understand that perspective, however I feel that there are experiences more valuable than money. Even when I was scraping by month to month during college, I blew time and money on experiences that no amount of work for hire would ever get me.
> "MRSP $329, Craigslist price? $100, new in the box."

Have you considered that those goods are probably hot? Perfectly good, brand new, item on CL for 70% off?!

I considered that they're now $200 NIB on Amazon, and that the dude I bought them from attends UPenn, so the chances are pretty good that unless he's financing his ivy league degree by selling stolen goods, it's more likely that he bought them, tried them on, decided he didn't like them, and listed them on CL to cut his losses.

We have really nice furniture in our house that we bought from a family on the main line. They still had the tags on them - if I were to guess, the family moved here from India, landed a job making more money than they needed, and overspent. Bought this couch and loveseat, decided they didn't like it, and moved them into the basement, buying another. Not sure how long they sat down there before we picked them up, but they sure look nice in our living room.

Even when back in college, I went to yard sales in (central PA) affluent neighborhoods. Sometimes people just want to get rid of otherwise good stuff. Now that I do alright, when I need get rid of a DVD player or a stereo I don't use anymore, I list it for free.