[epapsiou]

Stability ???? Ubuntu is far more stable. Have never had issues wrt stability. I have had issues with support as in some software do not work on linux (Turbo Tax , Games etc) but never in stability. Have been using linux desktops since 2010

[FredPret]

You’re kidding right? Linux as a desktop OS is a dumpster fire in my experience. Many times I’ve had a system working for a couple of months, only to be laid low mysteriously by an update. This happened on everything from Ubuntu to Mint to Arch.

The last straw for me (not stability related) was when I needed to scan something. Cue hours spent in the terminal… still no scanning.

MacOS will keep working for years for most everyone and has all basic functionality in place or easily installable. The same is true for Linux as a server, which I use every day.

[zmxz]

Why would the person be kidding? Why is it a dumpster fire in your experience?

My work PC has the uptime of 3 months right now. I've been using this particular PC for 26 months, with Ubuntu installed. No crashes. No problems. No slowdowns.

These testimonials where someone says "but it's <insert reasons that confirm it's bad>" are difficult to relate with. I also scan and print from time to time, I'm not advanced user of scanners/printers - but after plugging the devices in via USB, they did their job.

I had the pleasure of trying to work with containers on Mac the other day. After 10 minutes I gave up. Mac is a great machine but it's not for me, it definitely has its audience and I can tell it's great because it helps many types of users cut a lot of corners. I'm sure I could get containers to work with M1, if there was any kind of benefit to use a machine which is, hardware-wise, slower than the beefy one I use with Linux.

[subjectsigma]

We must live in a different universe then. My Ubuntu desktop crashed three times in one day yesterday. I was trying to run a Windows-only application in WINE and for some reason all of GNOME crashes when I open a pulldown menu. I had to C-M-F1 and use systemctl to restart the window manager. Never did get it working.

If testimonials about Linux being unstable are hard to relate to, you are absolutely in the minority of computer users or you have not used Linux very long. I still remember the days where I had to (lightly) edit C source code to get my WiFi drivers working...

[zmxz]

I'm sure you can see how condescending your comment is, you basically went into discrediting me instantly. For the sake of argument - I've been windows user since 1998 and Linux user since 2005.

I used it for a long time. I had problems with nvidia drivers, before that I had problems with modem drivers and the list goes on, from finding where xorg.conf is to which thing I need to modify so that I can have multiple monitors running. I tried many distros, I used i3wm for extended period of time until the keyboard navigation only started to bore me.

I believe my "membership card" has been shown.

Despite the problems, PopOS and Ubuntu have been very stable for me for the past 2.5 years. Problem is also often in users, who are quick to blame software when it doesn't work the way they imagined it must work. I haven't used software that instantly works great. However, for development (and running containers in particular), Linux has been stable and a total workhorse. I can even put up with uglier UI. It's also the only OS that I can shut down forcibly via button and it won't fall apart.

Could it be that the, often loud minority of angry users, simply reports problems because:

1. they imply knowledge and thus earn internet fame points? 2. they purposely twist the truth because they can? 3. they aren't particularly advanced users to begin with?

[subjectsigma]

Lol, just saw this now. Yeah, I went into discrediting you instantly because I have used Linux for over a decade and continue to use it daily, and I know you are wrong. I don't really care what you think.

[diffeomorphism]

So what sounds more plausible:

- Lots of people happily use "a dumpster fire" where you have "hours spent in the terminal… still no scanning" and are completely unbothered by serious issues you are describing.

- Your exaggeration is absolutely ridiculous.

Criticism is fine, but at least make it sound vaguely plausible.

[FredPret]

You are the one exaggerating by saying "lots of people" and "completely unbothered". Linux on the desktop is famous for being neither popular nor easy, surely this isn't new information for you.

If you like it, knock yourself out. I'll stick to OS's that employ product managers for my daily drivers.

[mmis1000]

> MacOS will keep working for years for most everyone

My working mac hangs about 1 time in 3 days. With completely un-addressable memory leak and lag. And close everything don't help either. The only way I found to solve it reliably is a reboot. While my linux vm and main windows system lives like forever (heck, I don't even bother to reboot them if not a update, because why?).

From my perspective, I though you are just kidding. I don't even see it runs perfectly more than one week.

[baby]

Just had a coworker who had to wipe out his laptop to upgrade ubuntu version. Literally never happened to me on mac

[aulin]

I guess he wanted to upgrade to the newly released 22.04, am I right? upgrade is temporarily disabled due to some bug they're sorting out. Guess he didn't read the release notes and did a full reinstall out of frustration. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes...

[baby]

It was before that

[dotancohen]

I haven't used Windows since 2005, so my opinion might be unwarranted, but I've been upgrading my home Linux distro since sometime before 2010 without a clean wipe. During that time I've heard of so many Windows "fix it by reinstalling" stories that I wonder if that is simply the default first step in Windows troubleshooting. After turning it off and back on, of course.

[philliphaydon]

To be fair. There’s a bunch of issues around upgrading to 22.04 because of snaps…

[dotancohen]

Terrific, thank you. That is to be the project this coming weekend, though I wasn't expecting problems.

[dosethree]

in the old days I would format before upgrading osx. if you use a bunch of developer tools, they would often break with osx versions. remember macports? wiping every year or so isn’t a big deal when everything is in the cloud. haven’t needed to in years, though

[icedchocolate]

I am literally never able to install my household name desktop apps that I use daily on Mac, when I try Ubuntu, without the thing crashing my whole computer. It’s insane.

[bodge5000]

> Have been using linux desktops since 2010

Thats probably why its so stable for you, you know it well, and that increased control of it allows you to make it as stable as you need.

However, generally speaking, Linux does not specialise in stability