[tinco]

Stop being so adverserial. Parent hasn't stated any pro-brexit sentiment so just assume they're arguing in good faith.

The whole idea of the EU is that all nations in it are subservient to the commission. We like it that way because that makes the collaboration more rational and it makes the rising tide lift all the boats. Wether you agree with it or not, the idea of the Brexit is that the UK can be strong without the EU, possibly even stronger. Wether that will happen remains to be seen.

But how can you say they can't be independent of the EU in power while commenting on an article that's literally about them establishing power bypassing the EU?

I'd love for the UK to come back to us in the EU. But their "intentional obtuse"-ness is exactly what they should be doing to make good on their promises to the citizens of the UK.

[arlort]

> The whole idea of the EU is that all nations in it are subservient to the commission

It really really isn't though

[tinco]

It really is though

[dankboys]

Then it's even more useless than being an auditor at the commission

[tremon]

The whole idea of the EU is that all nations in it are subservient to the commission.

How is that statement different from stating that the whole idea of the UK is that all countries in the UK are subservient to the Cabinet?

[tinco]

It's not, that's why the UK felt their sovereignty was compromised and they took it back. The EU allows for that to happen without violence.

[detritus]

This is an absolutely valueless comment, so I apologise: but I just wanted to thank you for writing one of most sincerely level-headed responses I've seen in relation to Brexit, and from someone 'over the fence' at that.

I aspire to be as considerate and reasonable in my dialogue on the subject, as much as I'd like it to go away (much like most Europeans, I guess!) :)

[sofixa]

But they aren't arguing in good faith, because this bit:

> The EU wants the UK to be subservient to the Commission for ideological, political and economic reasons

Is categorically and empirically false. The Commission doesn't have an ideology, and doesn't want subservience from anyone. Their job is cooperation and improvement.

[tinco]

> The Commission doesn't have an ideology, and doesn't want subservience from anyone. Their job is cooperation and improvement.

No, the commission does have an ideology, it's encoded in the Treaty of European Union. For example "founded on the values of respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities".

Also subservience is encoded in the treaties, for example when you sign the treaty you agree that the court of the European Union becomes your highest court, and that European law overrides your national law. Effectively any court decision can be overruled by the European Court of Justice if it conflicts with European law.

Besides the law there's all sorts of other restrictions where a nations interest are subservient to those of the union as a whole. Usually to prevent a nation from giving their local industries an edge over those in other European countries.