[aga98mtl]

> How do they undermine the norm?

Richer people have kids in their thirties, so the media is full of people in their twenties living it up. Poorer men have kids in their twenties and then they feel like losers for living the boring lifestyle of a responsible breadwinner. They want to copy the carefree lifestyle shown as "normal" by our culture.

[sokoloff]

Perhaps the best way to copy that lifestyle would be to, well, copy the choice to not have kids in their twenties (or teens). It’s hard to see how the choice by some to delay kids is somehow undermining others.

Conversely, the choice to have kids earlier brings its own set of benefits (having more physical energy is one that I wished for somewhat often and I think there’s evidence of earlier pregnancies being lower risk).

[nkrisc]

It’s sort of funny: they make the same mistake the “red pill” crowd makes. First they want to emulate a false reality that doesn’t exist, then some of them end up rejecting that same false reality that never existed (the red pill crowd) and end up tilting against windmills. Both groups have deluded themselves by choosing keep their eyes closed to the actual reality they exist in which is far more mundane.

[kevinventullo]

That’s an interesting point, one I wish the article had made explicitly.