[ErwinSmout]

In the perception of the Micro$oft users who are brainwashed with the idea that what Micro$oft does is good for the developers.

(In fact, it might even be outright true. But that's not a guarantee that what the Micro$oft users do with the Micro$oft tools is necessarily also the *BEST* thing for the user of that software product that the Micro$oft users produce.)

[tehlike]

You are being unnecessarily cynical. I left microsoft ecosystem about 10 years ago, but still miss the developer environment they had in 2012 today. Nothing still comes close.

[ErwinSmout]

I invite you to inspect, even if only cursorily, my above exchange with mr. antonvs. My point is that Micro$oft was created by programmers (in fact in its earliest days it was mostly a compilers company), that to this very day the vast majority of what it does falls into the category "by programmers, for programmers", and it may indeed be the case that they are extremely good at that. And if you are yourself a programmer, then it is obviously only self-evident that you are then going to praise/applaud Micro$oft for what they do. It's just that this "programmer perspective" may yield a hopelessly narrowed down tunnel vision on what the real goal should be. That real goal being : making complete sense to the final end-users. And as an example of "not making complete sense" : I open an xls file with multiple sheets in it. I browse through the contents, paging up and down through the sheets. I'm done browsing and I close the file. Microsoft asks me if I want to save my changes. The reason of course (or presumably) being that somewhere hidden inside, there's a "current sheet" indicator and it is considered part of the data because it gets saved alongside the actual sheet contents, so the file can open up with the last sheet displayed already active. But you show me one single user (and especially one not coming from an IT background) who never once in his life reacted to that with "WHAT FRIKKING CHANGES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ? I CHANGED NOTHING.".