[tomrod]

From your comment, you went unnecessarily political regarding the January 6, 2021 insurrection. In my view, this is why people downvoted your comment. The common narrative is that it was insurrection. It was certainly a dangerous mob driven by Trump and cronies intending to interfere with the US election proceedings without justifiable cause beyond pseudo-creedal feelings that somewhere, somehow, the election was stolen.

[bavell]

LOL no sane person thought the country was going to be taken over by some grandmas and goofy morons...

[tomrod]

Correct. But interfering with election proceedings, never mind being encouraged to kill the people charged with finalizing those proceedings, could lend to chaos and give incumbents (who are stocking the chaos) opportunities to seize control -- an effective coup.

Don't confuse tools with crafters.

[bavell]

I hear you, but as soon as anyone "siezed control" they would be summarily thrown out in the mud and made a laughing stock by the entirety of the nation.

Don't let the tiny vocal minority of fools chanting election fraud trick you into thinking regular folks would go along with some half-baked coup attempt - they'd be met with laughter and scorn. I've discussed this at length with friends and family, some of whom have pretty strong political views.

[tomrod]

Ah yes, "it could never happen here."

But if they're in nominal control of the military, and have 40% of the country expressing a modicum of sympathy, then you let loose a pretty dangerous situation.

[vvvzxd]

>The common narrative is that it was insurrection.

how many people from Jan 6 have been charged with insurrection?

[tomrod]

The event was an insurrection. Several have been charged with seditious conspiracy, as your earlier commenters have pointed out. Others have other charges.

Here is a quick Google result for your perusal: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/all-the-us-capi...

[incomingpain]

>From your comment, you went unnecessarily political regarding the January 6, 2021 insurrection. In my view, this is why people downvoted your comment. The common narrative is that it was insurrection

That hasn't been true for months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_att...

Wiki used to call it insurrection but it's not that. I understand the criticism that perhaps it's because it's political, but that's the because the whole subject is political.

>It was certainly a dangerous mob driven by Trump and cronies intending to interfere with the US election proceedings without justifiable cause beyond pseudo-creedal feelings that somewhere, somehow, the election was stolen.

Dangerous seems an over reach.

Contemporary comparison you have mostly peaceful riots and actual insurrections like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest

It's really important to see what's happening here. It's ultra important to be able to talk about these things.

Republicans need to address the police brutality and objectively proven racism.

Democrats need to address some things as well.

These conversations have to happen and they are going to hurt.

[notacoward]

> Wiki used to call it insurrection but it's not that.

They don't call it insurrection only because "seditious conspiracy" is the more legally accurate term, and the charge on which convictions have already been obtained. But ask a layperson to describe the difference and you'll get nothing. Even the US house and senate voted on impeachment for "incitement of insurrection" despite the legal distinction. Saying that it's "not insurrection[legal]" might be true, but HN is not a court and saying "not insurrection[common]" here is false.

[tomrod]

> But ask a layperson to describe the difference and you'll get nothing. Even the US house and senate voted on impeachment for "incitement of insurrection" despite the legal distinction.

\o layperson here. My observation of January 6 was the people being punished were part of a hapless, mindless mob who believed the lies of kakistocrats playing on their economic insecurities and political loyalties.

[incomingpain]

I withdraw my position about US government and twitter.

>They don't call it insurrection only because "seditious conspiracy" is the more legally accurate term, and the charge on which convictions have already been obtained.

I think I saw this on twitter. I'm not going to argue over this one. Even the wikipage extensively uses the word insurrection still.

This is a super non-issue. In fact, the differing reactions and hard line take on these contemporary political protests is all that matters.

I could also point out, but it won't help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict...

Elon isn't too late. Seemingly he's ahead of me on this one. I didn't realize how bad it is.

I just hope Canada and Mexico stay out of this.

[superturkey650]

Besides that, the subtitle of the article on Wikipedia is literally “ Violent insurrection after the 2020 presidential election”.

[phkahler]

Yeah, one group of "protestors" can take over a small section of a city, push the authorities out, loot and riot. But another "protest" gets a little out of hand and it's an attempt to overthrow the government.

Trump lost, can nobody see that continuing to talk about him is counterproductive? On both sides!

[tomrod]

> Yeah, one group of "protestors" can take over a small section of a city, push the authorities out, loot and riot.

If you read my prior comment, you'll note a distinct lack of discussion regarding this unrelated topic.

> But another "protest" gets a little out of hand and it's an attempt to overthrow the government.

Correct. The mob that actually performed the violent protest may not have come to the Capitol that day to overthrow the government, but the people spurring them on had other designs. Calling for the murder of the government official performing their duty is a key tell for that; to my understanding there is further evidence beyond incendiary and violent rhetoric.

But please, let's stay on topic instead of deflecting to the ills of Antifa and her counter-agitators. That conversation just reinforces the backfire effect since the trivial triggering conversation challenges deeply held worldviews.[0]

[0] https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe_clean