[Melting_Harps]

I study AI and ML, and I don't need a bot to tell me what I already know from decades of experience.

Furthermore, it's because we're wasting our time on things like this that I think AI/ML is mainly all hype and the threats of it 'taking of the World' are used mainly to leverage funding into aimless things like these while calling it 'progress.' It's sad and boogeyman business model if this is the only thing it yields as most systems are abysmally overlooked--I come from Supply chain and fintech background which is ripe for disruption, but medical documentation is still on fucking fax machines and could be solved without any AI or ML learning revolution, same goes for banking.

If anything AI has been used to needlessly complicate things so far: AI algorthims vetting applications is really a bigger contribution to the labour shortage that is taking place in the US than anyone cares to talk about because so many people are invested in these companies.

Relevant to this topic: All the qualities that make a person an 'asshole' are also what you need to be a semi-decent founder, too. (I speak from experience as both). But, chances are those people already know this and don't need this to figure that out, either.

[ativzzz]

I ran the first two sentences of your response through the OP and got

> YTA. I agree that you don't need a bot to tell you what you already know from decades of experience, but it's pointless and arrogant to dismiss the possibility that AI/ML could make medical record systems more secure and efficient, for example. 2) "It's sad and boogeyman business model if this is the only thing it yields as most systems are abysmally overlooked--I come from Supply chain and fintech background which is ripe for disruption." It doesn't matter if there aren't other advances through AI/ML research; even if they're not affecting your life, others might be.

[minimaxir]

This project is more intended as fun and not a treatise on the industry.

[Melting_Harps]

> This project is more intended as fun and not a treatise on the industry.

Stop!

Seriously, I mean this as person that is actually studying this technology and I'm forced to go through the motions with the kinds of BS. you are saying... the longer this goes on the more time and resources (specifically Human Capital) we will waste on pointless things like this as we're encouraged to do so. Let Open AI build GPT, it's honestly all they know how to do as anything else seems dead in the water or a scam (see Worldcoin).

My AI and ML intro classes so far have forced me to learn JS to build a video-game because it 'was fun' too, and guess what that doesn't change the fact JS is an archaic language that nobody in the 21st century should use anymore. It was a waste of my time as I made smart-contract prototypes for multi-national corps as a self-taught coder at IBM.

But because a lot of the same people who think it's 'fun' run the faculties and CompSci departments at Universities think this kind of non-sense is accepted as 'learning' it will go on.

We should be building actual solutions to actual problems rather than re-invent a newer digital form of navel-gazing.

I taught myself to code not because it was 'fun' but because I NEEDED to solve a complex problem and was first to market and no one who could code what I needed understood or cared enough to take the time to see the potential of what I as founder saw because there were more 'fun' but useless things to build.

I've can't post more because the algo on HN:

> I literally publish open-source packages on how to use this technology.

Then let me make it clear: stop wasting our time as students and professionals trying to leverage the skills that we've acquired and done in other Industries with your feckless non-sense. This isn't fun for anyone but you.

No one but you wants a real-life version of 'Her,' we want to solve Climate Change and perpetual Supply Chain disruptions so we can continue to live, breath, eat and meet with actual Humans which we can actually interact with in person.

The immense amount of focus on NLP for Human companionship is seriously why I think this space is saturated with people who seem so misanthropic (and likely/possibly autistic) that I doubt we will be able to bypass your gate-keeping BS to actually do what we came here to do: solve problems for existential reasons not have fun with a new toy.

[minimaxir]

> I mean this as person that is actually studying this technology

I literally publish open-source packages on how to use this technology.

https://github.com/minimaxir/gpt-2-simple

https://github.com/minimaxir/aitextgen

[batch12]

I taught myself to code because it was 'fun'. Who are you to tell people how to devote their time?

It would be better for all concerned if you would take a break from posting these kinds of directives and get back to developing actual solutions to actual problems.

[Melting_Harps]

> Who are you to tell people how to devote their time?

A person who has had to spend an inordinate amount of time getting involved in these things throughout my Life because better coders/developers are too busy navel gazing and just having 'fun.' Honestly, I acknowledge I'm not really good at this, I'm way better at many other things: but I've been able to do a lot with what little I do know. Specifically to put and lead the right teams to accomplish certain goals and go into things solo where I have to.

And it's taken a toll.

> It would be better for all concerned if you would take a break from posting these kinds of directives and get back to developing actual solutions to actual problems.

I've tried, in fact it's why I went to IBM before trying to sound the alarm as they had so many multi-nationals as clients that expressed interest in wanting to spend money on R/D but none of the gatekeeprs cared about broken supply chains and Amazon's consolidation and eventual domination of the SC and shipping Industry (they likely had investments in Amazon) as a result until things broke down during COVID. While funding was around, VC and smaller funds alike have all poured their money into the Stonks frenzy and NFT BS during COVID so there was little to nothing left with to make a PoC let alone pilot-test anything of value that couldn't match the ROI of those hot markets, even to automate warehouse inventory systems in real-time with just NFC to help with forecasting.

(Now things are worse and capital is fearful after large losses in December and the war in Ukraine has made everyone afraid of what will happen for the next 6-18 months.)

This alone would help immensely with the shortages to prioritize allocation and address shortages, I wrote about wanting to create a prototype for the CO2 shortages in the UK [0] that was going o impact everything from medical supplies,food, to beverages and the only viable answer I got was that the need was obvious but every project manager wants to see AI or ML being used to even take any interest. There was a hackathon sponsored by Google at my school but honestly, I had too much to focus on with what I knew was the impending invasion of Ukraine--I was in Ukraine during the proxy war between Belarus and Poland assessing the situation and stress-testing the payment rails with Bitcoin which as you may have realized played a huge part in supplying the Ukrainian military and helping with supply runs and humanitarian aid during Capital controls as we've already done this in 2013-14.

0: https://theconversation.com/the-uk-carbon-dioxide-shortage-s...

[lmc]

I get a lot of what you are saying, and have similar feelings sometimes. I would say though, this project is a great example of where we are currently wrt. COTS-ish ML.

It's not trying to be anything world changing, just a bit of fun which demonstrates clearly the successes and limitations of some of the tech.

Also worth considering that whilst you are studying this, there are many practitioners on here that have will have gone through similar journeys.

[Melting_Harps]

> I get a lot of what you are saying, and have similar feelings sometimes.

I understand what you're doing and I even commend what you're doing trying to do by mediating between seemingly conflicting members of the 'same team,' but as a former founder/project manager there is no time for this type of coddling anymore. We are seriously living and witnessing the verge of WW3 with it possibly going nuclear as more time passes which has more dire implications then people seem to acknowledge or understand.

> Also worth considering that whilst you are studying this, there are many practitioners on here that have will have gone through similar journeys.

That makes things worse, for over a decade I've been here as a complete novice lurking, bootstrapping founder, and an employee at a mega-corp trying to figure out how most are content with 'just doing 3 hours of work' everyday and still being highly compensated but depressed and dealing with anxiety and eventual burnout when they could/should/must apply their skill set into things that help address the litany of existential threats we all face as a Species.

Instead, its like every other week someone posts about how they've come up with something novel on factorio and I'm just lost for words on how things get better.

I speak to people like this because it's only by being harsh that people actually take any notice and the tech Industry needs a collective kick in the face and nuts!

For all the talk and lip-service about disruption, most will do EVERYTHING possible to maintain the status quo and keep things business as usual because they're comfortable in their situation and it keeps them from ever actually getting involved in real projects because it doesn't have a guaranteed ROI or badge they can show off to others in this Industry as a form of virtue signalling: which is what really matters to most here.

The only time I've burned out was when I was working 90+ hours; and those days are over for me as I've paid too high a mental and physical cost after 2 decades of that, but what I'm seeing is not encouraging so I address people accordingly in the hopes they get that things are fucking dire!

No one should care about Twitter take over, even if Musk is involved, seriously it's just a platform that has outgrown it's utility because of an inept board according to it's founder. It should just migrate to something like Bluesky already and is the equivalent of a Softwork, not the cause for endless media attention and drama.

What should matter more is the fact that food shortages are now seemingly inevitable because of the war in Ukraine that will impact Europe and Africa severely. The energy crisis has only just started, too and has had a deadly cost: just look at Kharkiv, Sumi, Mariupol, Bucha etc...

Do you want to see what it looks like when we're fighting for food or water? Because that's what's likely as things continue this way.

Had people in this Industry been less complacent maybe automated farming would be further ahead we could afford to navel gaze a bit, but that is simply not the case and tech workers are the most spoiled, sheltered, and honestly out of touch of all the labour force because no one wants to have a hard conversation with them about the reality of the World they've helped create.

They intellectually prostituted themselves to company's like John Deere who farmers had to fight in court to be able to work on their own machinery, which could make us less food secure all for the profit of a few, and this didn't happen by accident: this happened because developers in the tech Industry were complacent, because the greedy execs on boards are too stupid to do it themselves so they need a lemming who won't ask questions with some coding skills to do it for them, and that is who I'm addressing here.