[mardifoufs]

But Québec would've been independant if the referendum was successful. Even at 50+1, it is now clear that the federal government would've accepted the results even if they didn't explicitly said so back in 1995. So I think there's a huge difference, considering that in Catalonia the referendum was completely ignored

[raverbashing]

> that in Catalonia the referendum was completely ignored

Because it was one-sided and those not agreeing with it didn't accept its legitimacy, hence not showing up to vote

You don't just put a ballot box outside of the provisions of the state and call that a "referendum"

[denton-scratch]

The Spanish state doesn't make any provision at all for secession or independence movements; it's all criminal. They even have a special court for dealing with these matters. Any attempt to campaign for independence puts you beyond the law.

In those circumstances, it's hardly surprising that independence campaigners broke a law.

[kiliancs]

Since Catalans will always be a minority in Spain, what you are saying is "you just don't put a ballot".

[raverbashing]

Scots and Quebeckers referenda were official