[sergiotapia]

FWIW bro I enjoy that you are building something so ambitious and making progress despite the unwarranted hate. I have no idea why you bring out so many visceral trolls.

Can someone share why this guy and vlang are so hated? It seems like he is ironing out the kinks even years after the hate keeps piling on.

He keeps this up he's going to win.

[kgeist]

I applaud Alexander's efforts, but the hate is somewhat warranted, because they make misleading claims such as having "innovative memory management" when in fact they merely use Boehm GC. All the hate could be entirely avoided if their "marketing material" was a little more honest and humble.

[amedvednikov]

no, we don't "merely use Boehm GC"

[kgeist]

What else do you use besides it?

[amedvednikov]

autofree (compile time frees)

it's on the website and in the video I referenced here

[kgeist]

But you said it's unfinished and hidden behind a flag. And it's been like that for several years.

I found this in the docs:

>Autofree is still WIP. Until it stabilises and becomes the default, please compile your long running processes with -gc boehm, which will use the Boehm-Demers-Weiser conservative garbage collector

[amedvednikov]

gc is also behind the flag

so why do you pick one over the other?

the language is still at 0.2

[jokethrowaway]

It's a communication problem.

Looking at the homepage and the projects it feels like everything is ready and, if the claims were true, it would be the most ground breaking language of the last decades. When you go to look at the code or try to run something you find out: - some things are still closed source - some are broken - some are wins from C

It's a great strategy for collecting a check from VCs and I wish the author the best of luck, but it won't fly with developers.

[EdSchouten]

As I can't respond to amedvednikov's comment below, let me respond to it through yours (sorry):

> No things are closed source. Never have been.

That's not correct. I seem to remember that when V was released initially, the compiler was available for download in binary form only. The source code was only released later on.

[amedvednikov]

That was before the public release and only lasted for a week.

So saying now 2.5 years later some things are closed source is ridiculous.

[vlang1dot0]

Could you point to the C2V source?

[vlang1dot0]

So, you're saying C2V is closed source then? Which is exactly what Alex said isn't true.

[Tozen]

There is a difference between not releasing the source yet versus closed source. Often, closed source refers to not ever going to open the source, including commercial interests. In regards to not yet releasing the source, things can be in the process of being worked on, made ready for public review, or being organized where other programmers can more sensibly contribute to the source.

[ylluminate]

We could, but it's not yet public. Rest assured, it exists and there is work going forward on it to get it out the door somewhat soon.

You may find the public `go2v` work interesting. It's being worked on by some other folks in the community: https://github.com/vlang/go2v

[paskozdilar]

Note that, in most cases, you can't respond to a comment because it's been posted too recently. I think it's a mechanism to prevent flaming.

[amedvednikov]

No things are closed source. Never have been.

What things are broken for you?

What claims are not true?

[Tozen]

It is very impressive that the creator of Vlang can come here to face the critics, trolls, and bashers. That tells you something positive about his character and fortitude.

What is also very interesting, is that when various trolls make their derogatory claims or bash on his creation, he responds to them with facts and references. Many of them never respond back and run away.

[sergiotapia]

That's what is most crazy to me. Even the creator of Nim (Araq) flamed this guy in the Nim forums but most of his criticism seemed to be superficial and opinion based. I don't know what to think. I'm not a language expert by any means. I just hope this guy succeeds, the goals are tremendous.

[amedvednikov]

Thanks for your support :)