[gyf304]

We must protect human lives at all costs, even at the cost of human lives.

Jokes aside, what we really want to know is that - what are the human lives lost lockdown v.s. no lockdown, maybe also factor in the possible economic downturns. The government did a not-so-good job convincing people that doing a lockdown is indeed better than the alternative - "We ran the numbers, it seems like doing a lockdown at this stage is beneficial" sounds better than doing a lockdown just for the sake of it.

And: limiting information to people doesn't help boost confidence.

[whimsicalism]

I mean, any crunching of the numbers shows that China has effectively averted 3 million dead of their own population due to covid - assuming equal quality of care with the US.

I generally attribute that to the lockdowns, do people have another explanation?

[djrogers]

Any crunching of what numbers? You and I have no idea how many Chinese people have been infected or died of COVID.

As recently as earlier this week the Chinese Gov’t was claiming 130k infections in Shanghai with zero deaths. Are those the numbers you’re trusting, or were you counting the pyres visible on satellite photos from areas that had ‘no COVID’ according to the CCP?

[whimsicalism]

Source on the 130k number?

If 3 million people had died in China of covid, they wouldn't be able to hide it. Even if they could hide that level of deaths, that level of covid spread would be obvious from antibody tests from peoe traveling from China.

[ejb999]

>>I generally attribute that to the lockdowns, do people have another explanation?

Yea, they lie - do you have any evidence that China will not try and cover up any stories that make them look bad?

[rfoo]

Yeah, I lie and I'm already a dead man. Thanks to the Hell Express I can even shitpost on HN after I died, so it's not too bad.

[Izkata]

Five days ago this was posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30984108

Basically, there is no correlation between lockdowns and health outcomes. It's a pretty consistent finding, they reference a few others who found the same with different ways of measuring it in there.