[eatonphil]

One counterexample, right turn on red is not allowed anywhere in any borough of NYC. And outer Queens/Brooklyn/Staten Island are indistinguishable (to me) from the rest of Long Island (suburb). (i.e. not just downtown/busy areas of NYC)

[zip1234]

Right turn on red really doesn't belong anywhere where people could be on the street. Drivers turning red will often pull forward into the crosswalk and there may be a walk signal.

[Tabular-Iceberg]

How is that any different from a right turn on green where there may be a walk signal?

[zip1234]

In a right turn on green scenario, the driver mainly needs to be looking for pedestrians crossing and they will be crossing a different direction. In a right turn on red, their primary focus is on cars, limiting their attention on pedestrians. It also encourages creeping out into the crosswalk, blocking people from crossing on a signal.

[Tabular-Iceberg]

That makes sense. Being European I’m often annoyed at not being allowed to turn right on red. Allowing it at non-pedestrian intersections would perhaps be a fair compromise.

[chrisseaton]

Blows my mind you’d both tell a pedestrian to cross and also allow a car to drive through at the same time.

[legalcorrection]

So you'd have every intersection come to a complete stop in all directions for pedestrian crossings? New York would come to a complete standstill.

[zip1234]

I mean, only 15% of Manhattan population owns a car.

[jen20]

And thus many of them rely on the cross town busses. Which would be brought to a stop if what you propose was implemented.

[legalcorrection]

Yes, NYC is not just pragmatically anti-car (which to some extent it needs to be), it is also ideologically anti-car, and that manifests in stupid rules like that.

[eatonphil]

NYC has free parking in every borough which is fairly pro-car in my (admittedly probably anti-car) circles.

[zip1234]

The most expensive real estate per sq foot in the world and they allow people to store personal cars for free on the street. Ludicrous

[TheCoelacanth]

That's not a stupid rule. Right-on-red is quite unsafe for pedestrians.