[snowram]

Same reaction but in the opposite direction. I still do not understand why some people are that obsessed to dedicate a large amount of time learning a software that will sometimes make their life a tiny bit easier in rare edge cases. Every time I try to learn how to use Vim as an IDE, I just end up massively overwhelmed and never even come close to reach a fraction of my productivity on VSCode. The fact I cannot see the benefit where others can is frustrating.

[lambdaba]

Most people I know that use Vscode now are coming from TextMate -> Sublime Text -> Atom -> VScode.

Meanwhile my Vim go brrrrrr :D

Seriously, there's a huge benefit to not constantly switching and learning new environments (admittedly since Neovim / switching to Lua for scripting Vim there's been a lot new but all things the community wanted)

[mypalmike]

Seriously, there's no benefit to sticking with one environment. The right tool for the job. If you're doing Java for instance, no version of vim or emacs comes close to the functionality of the popular IDEs. With vi perhaps you can type more efficiently. With a good IDE, you can develop far more efficiently. For modifying bash scripts on remote machines, vim all the way.

[lambdaba]

I could agree with you a few years ago but since LSP and Tree-sitter the tables have basically turned, I'm pretty confident you can get _more_ IDE-type features in Neovim (albeit with some amount of effort, no doubt). But, again, you can tailor that exactly to your liking.

[rektide]

From a thread on minecraft[1]-

> it is intensely gratifying to build and improve the world around you.

For many of us, we expect we will be spending a significant chunk of our lives in the text editor.

Picking a dumb, inert, fixed, limited text editor is an apalling choice to some, versus picking something that has rich means of working the system (text objects, spellcrafting on the fly!!!) and infinite possibility (that flexible configuring, leader keys of possibilities). Picking a starting point where more is possible, where building & growing our world can be done- it's a path of lifelong struggle, but immense lifelong gratification, one where we will see our world florusihing and ourselves growing within in.

I personally resist a lot of the configuring & addition of plugins, am only an ok advanced vim user. But Im pretty ok at writing macros when i have a shitty chore, i make use of registers to handle reusable text- I appreciate having something much closer to a programming language than a input box at my back, and i keep slowly improving.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31038449

[dotnet00]

One big benefit from my perspective is that due to being terminal based, vim makes it much easier to edit remotely and makes it relatively easy to bring your environment around.

While vscode's ssh option is cool, it still requires that you have it installed on your local machine and while the web based version doesn't have that issue, it's missing other features (like ssh).

So for me the biggest motivator for switching to nvim has been the ability to connect to my machine and work on code from any device (ie even android) anywhere, only needing access to a terminal, and if I need to work on someone else's machine, having my environment there is as simple as cloning a git repo with my .vimrc