[ProfessorLayton]

>People like to live in single family homes and live next to single family homes.

Then those people should buy a single family home and the single family homes around them and keep them that way.

>You won't get a beautiful city like those with any kind of zoning. It's too expensive. You'd get flimsy modern cookie-cutter buildings and maybe some brutalist concrete hulks.

The current restrictions that have created suburbia are already yield expensive, cookie cutter and flimsy housing, so even if your arguments were taken at face value (Which I disagree with), nothing changes for the worse.

[tablespoon]

> The current restrictions that have created suburbia are already yield expensive, cookie cutter and flimsy housing, so even if your arguments were taken at face value (Which I disagree with), nothing changes for the worse.

I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is denser housing would get us "a beautiful city like Paris, Copenhagen, Milan..." It's false advertising.

The only thing you'll get with density is density.

[RestlessMind]

> Then those people should buy a single family home and the single family homes around them and keep them that way.

That's what we did. Now people like you are saying me and my neighbors are NIBMYs and want us to change.

[ProfessorLayton]

>That's what we did. Now people like you are saying me and my neighbors are NIBMYs and want us to change.

You bought a single family home and all surrounding single family homes around it? If that's the case, no one is asking you to change anything. They're literally your backyards and you can choose to not build any further. If your neighbors don't want to build more units, they should be free not to as well.

What needs to change is neighbors restricting housing units on property they do not own. No one is advocating for completely abolishing all zoning, but the current approach isn't working as housing prices skyrocket everywhere that housing production can't keep up — often because of zoning restrictions.

[anamax]

> >People like to live in single family homes and live next to single family homes. > Then those people should buy a single family home and the single family homes around them and keep them that way.

And when they do (as an upstream commenter has done), they're attacked by the good people who blame single-family houses for what's wrong with California.

This thread is an example.