[rbreaves]

The “security” of wayland is a bit of an illusion imo. I’ve already seen a user pick it apart awhile ago.

Regardless I don’t what they’re trying to do, but they do need to add in a proper method for granting higher privileges to apps to have more access to Wayland in the same way macOS grants access to Remote Desktop apps.

[kaba0]

Proper security is layered. Wayland is like a steel-framed door, while X is like having a hole for the door. Of course not even the steel door worth anything if you don’t have windows in place, but you can’t even begin to secure your place without a door.

X simply can’t separate different applications inputs and display outputs, unless you go full on nested X servers, while wayland solves this aspect splendidly.

Of course it is only a single step into the correct direction, you still need sandboxing and the like, but just sandboxing wouldn’t have been enough for X.

[throwaway82652]

No, you haven't. I'm fairly certain I know a blog article you're referring to and that article is a load of nonsense. I can debunk any claims you might remember. The security isn't an illusion, it was designed to fix very real and known problems that exist in X11 and likely won't ever get patched out from X11.

At least in GNOME and KDE, there is a proper method for granting higher privileges, that method is the xdg portal API. I don't know where people are getting this idea that the method doesn't exist, it has existed for quite some time now.

[smoldesu]

> I can debunk any claims you might remember.

Listen, I don't care who you are or what your agenda is, but a line like this just confirms my suspicions that you're trolling. Quit it, please. Your constant bickering with anyone who disagrees with you is undermining the site's values of gratifying intellectual curiosity. It kills fruitful conversations, makes it harder to take your arguments in good faith, and colors your stance as simply contrarianism. I'm going to continue ignoring your comments if this is the basis of your conversation on this site.

[throwaway82652]

My agenda is to explain how this stuff works to stimulate intellectual curiosity. That's literally all there is to it. I've seen a number of wrong claims posted about this in the past, if you can remember any of the claims I'll address them directly and we can have a fruitful conversation about it. If you feel that examining past claims under a critical light is "trolling" and "kills fruitful conversations" then I don't know why you're even bothering to discuss this, please just let me address the claims made by the other commenter. Feel free to ignore me.