[eadmund]

The U.S. did not invade Vietnam; it assisted the Republic of Vietnam in its self-defense against the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. North Vietnam was the aggressor.

The U.S. did invade Iraq, using the authority granted in U.N. resolution 678. That was not a crime either, because it was carried out legally.

[qiskit]

We did invade vietnam. Vietnam beat their brutal french colonizers and won their independence ( 1st indochina war ). But we decided to get involved and seized half the country. ( 2nd indochina war ).

> North Vietnam was the aggressor.

No. North vietnam were liberators helping their fellow vietnamese in the south ( viet cong ) expel a foreign occupier.

> The U.S. did invade Iraq, using the authority granted in U.N. resolution 678.

How sneaky of you. That was the 1st iraq war. What about the 2nd iraq war?

[ShivShankaran]

>What about the 2nd iraq war?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War

The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.

All the middle east wars by US including the millions murdered, raped, tortured by US was illegal according to UN.

But "WHY IS RUSSIA SO AGGRESIVE?"

[FrenchAmerican]

I almost agree with you but North Vietnamese as liberators... It's a bit much.

The Vietnamese wanted independence and the refusal of France and later the the intervention of the US into the Vietnamese internal politics led the Vietnamese people to turn to the Communist party as the party of independence.

The very same thing happened a few years earlier in Cuba.

But the Communist parties were not "liberators", as both the Vietnamese and the Cuban peoples discovered very quickly. But the French (obviously) and the US weren't either.

Vietnam is a nice country... for tourists. People there are not free at all. Nor are Cubans.

[Synaesthesia]

It invaded me attacked South Vietnam to stop a national uprising there, that was 1961, after some time the war did expand to North Vietnam and the rest of Indochina.

Saying it was legal and not an invasion, because the client regime invited them, is like saying the Soviet Union never invaded Afghanistan, because they were also invited and it was ‘legal’.

They were crimes, the two biggest crimes since WW2

[dragonwriter]

> Saying it was legal and not an invasion, because the client regime invited them, is like saying the Soviet Union never invaded Afghanistan, because they were also invited and it was ‘legal’.

While Afghanistan was a Soviet client state before the Soviet-Afghan war, that War started with a successful decapitation strike by the USSR against the Afghan regime, so it’s not really analogous to the US war in South Vietnam.

[ShivShankaran]

>The U.S. did invade Iraq, using the authority granted in U.N. resolution 678. That was not a crime either, because it was carried out legally.

The UN explicitly stated that the invasion was illegal. I even remember the chief inspector declaring that he should have gone back to fishing instead of wasting time because the US had already decided to invade Iraq on false pretenses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War "The invasion of Iraq was neither in self-defense against armed attack nor sanctioned by UN Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force by member states and thus constituted the crime of war of aggression, according to the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) in Geneva"

Remember "freedom fries"?

The war hysteria was as rabid then as it is now for "pro ukraine" bullshit of arming both sides and letting blood spill.

Amazing mental gymnastics white washing the millions of people murdered by US in desperate search for their oil.

[Zickzack]

UN resolution 678 granted the liberation of Kuwait. That has been achieved in February 1991. It did not grant the invasion of Iraq as it has happened in 2003.

[Georgelemental]

"Russia did not invade Ukraine; it assisted the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic in their self-defense against Ukraine. Ukraine was the aggressor."

These rules get real slippery real fast. If your entire position is based on a slanted reading of some minor detail of obscure legalese, don't be surprised when evil people use the legalese against you

[Georgelemental]

"Russia did not invade Ukraine; it assisted the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic in their self-defense against Ukraine. Ukraine was the aggressor."

These rules get real slippery real fast