[Paradigma11]

What objective measures are you using?

The whole iraq invasion resulted in 7k civilian deaths. Pretty sure the russians are topping that in ukraine. For comparison, another case of shock and awe in recent history was done by russians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1994%E2%80%9... which resulted in the death of approx 6% of the civilian population in Grozny. Its not like Syria or Afghanistan was conducted any different, so this is what we can expect.

[Youden]

Where are you getting 7k from? Iraq Body Count [0] reports closer to 200k. Even if you use [1] to limit the death count to those caused by coalition forces, you get more than 7k just in 2003. Before you try to discredit it, the main criticism the project has received [2] is that it's undercounting.

The current Ukraine civilian death count is only up to 1.5k so far [3], so Russia's got a lot of catching up to do before it can compete with what's happening in Iraq (though I truly hope it doesn't).

[0]: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

[1]: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...

[3]: https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/04/ukraine-civilian-casua...

[Paradigma11]

This includes the casualties of the insurgency and civil war in the years after the invasion.

The Iraq Body Count project (IBC) documented a higher number of civilian deaths up to the end of the major combat phase (May 1, 2003). In a 2005 report,[86] using updated information, the IBC reported that 7,299 civilians are documented to have been killed, primarily by U.S. air and ground forces.

[ShivShankaran]

>This includes the casualties of the insurgency and civil war in the years after the invasion.

Civil war instigated by US and arming the insurgents similar to how they armed the Mujhadeen and the ISIS and Ukraine....

[postsantum]

>The whole iraq invasion resulted in 7k civilian deaths

Sources other than american tv provide vastly different numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

[Paradigma11]

No, they dont. "The Iraq Body Count project (IBC) documented a higher number of civilian deaths up to the end of the major combat phase (May 1, 2003). In a 2005 report,[86] using updated information, the IBC reported that 7,299 civilians are documented to have been killed, primarily by U.S. air and ground forces."