[krzyk]

Have you been to Russia? Have you seen how they are pumped with propaganda? How every opposition voice has to worry that either they'll get arrested or killed by a "random" person when they go home.

Try that in US, what will happen? Nothing.

Russia (and China) are big countries and dangerous ones because ruled not by the rule of law but by a will of rulers and oligarchs. And now we have opportunity to stop at least one of them.

[crossroadsguy]

> Try that in US, what will happen?

Change it - to try that “about US” and “be in” Yemen, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. Then see what happens to the individual! Guess?

Even this comment of yours reeks of hypocrisy. You are totally focused on “what happens to people in the US” and as long as that’s fine all is hunky dory.

In your comment you’ve totally not even touched upon what “USA has been doing outside USA - to other countries - usually the developing and underdeveloped countries”. Because that is “well.. you know… you know..”.

> by the rule of law

Which fucking law? Whose rule? Whose rule of law?

Entire fucking colonialism was a “legal endeavour”, in fact essentially a “civilising” the “natives” expedition that the kind white world took upon itself with great pains to do in the name of God and the King. Is that kind of rule of law you’re talking about? Because that kind of thinking never went anywhere during nid 1900s. It’s right there.

Well, then I guess Russia also decided to sell Ukraine some “freedom”. Oh, that sounds horrible? But why so?

[beckman466]

> ...Russia? Have you seen how they are pumped with propaganda?

have you been to the US and/or UK? what do you make of the capitalist owned and capitalist controlled media?

> Russia (and China) are big countries and dangerous ones because ruled not by the rule of law but by a will of rulers and oligarchs.

ah cool, so they don't have weird things like FISA courts and a huge national security apparatus (sort of like this CIA thing), and army, which together coups countries and assassinates leaders? [1]

> And now we have opportunity to stop at least one of them.

who is this 'we' you speak of? [2]

[1] https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/washington-bullets-cia-coups-...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRh925Is_1U

[pixl97]

Yes, I remember last time I posted something on the internet that disagreed with what corporate media was saying and then the secret police came to beat me and warn me that my family members may disappear.

[beckman466]

do the names Snowden, Assange or Manning ring a bell?

there's also this Youtuber who got a 'home visit' from the US govt. for 'anti-American sentiments' on his channel: https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/comments/k2wt7j/youtube_a...

alienation growing everywhere (parallel with increasing inquality) means capitalist realism is everywhere, so yeah, maybe the censorship and encroachment on free speech is less visible, but that's also because our imagination has been shot meaning we can't easily imagine and write about/describe alternatives. remember Thatcher's "there is no alternative" (TINA), Fukuyama's 'end of history', etc.? many in the working class now struggle to see our chains.

[mensetmanusman]

“have you been to the US and/or UK? what do you make of the capitalist owned and capitalist controlled media?”

You may be surprised to learn how irrelevant the corporate media is now, very low viewership counts, and a flourishing alternative media ecosystem, where everyone can believe what they want.

This diversity of information sources has its echo-chamber downside, but no one is being imprisoned because of their views like in Russia or China.