[fivea]

> Case in point: communicating nuance is hard when no one wants to hear it!

There is no nuance. The message couldn't be clearer: if you take the vaccine then the odds you'll die from COVID are way lower than if you do not.

And reality does not lie: the bulk of COVID deaths come from unvaccinated people.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/scicheck-covid-19-data-com...

Enough with all this misinformed or disinformed bullshit.

[slibhb]

You've chosen not to address the (very clear) point made by the previous poster. Instead you retreat to familiar talking points. Genuinely disturbing to witness an interaction like this.

[disambiguation]

What did I say that was misinformation?

> it's well established that those who contract COVID .. will have a good immunity response for subsequent infections.

> those who survive a COVID infection do end up with an immune system that is able to handle COVID.

It seems like we're on the same page here.

[jjeaff]

There is more nuance in your fact that a person who survives a COVID infection has immunity. That nuance is that most people who think they were infected actually did not ever get tested. Additionally, testing for previous infection takes more time and is more costly and adds additional complexity to the cheaper and simpler one step plan of "just go get vaccinated".

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yes .. I cover that a few comments ago -- hence the "noble lie".

i.e let's lie and say natural immunity does _not_ work, that way people are more likely to get vaccinated. It's for their own good, the common folk don't know any better!

[jjeaff]

So in your opinion, is there no such thing as a noble lie? While I don't know if I would consider this one of those cases or not, I do know with a pretty strong certainty that this particular lie can and most likely did save lives.

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No, I strongly disagree that this saved lives and everyone keeps getting this wrong about the pandemic.

Look at Japan and Russia. Japan was highly compliant with lockdowns, masks, and vaccine inoculation. Russia was the exact opposite. The difference being trust in institutions. You could argue lives were lost in Russia because of the inherent distrust.

In parallel, the USA was caught telling blatant lies. This is exactly what spooked and outraged so many people ultimately fueling the anti-vax movement. "If they're lying about this, what else are they lying about?"

No truth, no trust. The USA lost trust, and lost lives as a result.

[jjeaff]

There are examples of masking and lockdowns that could go either way. The part that I am quite certain about saving lives is telling people that you still needed to get the shot even if you had COVID before.

Many more people would have skipped out on getting it because they thought they had COVID. Because their immunity had waned or because they never really had COVID. I personally know someone that didn't get vaccinated because she had COVID previously. She caught it again in the Delta wave and it killed her. She never had a verified diagnosis the first time, so she may not have had it. But, even if she did, getting vaccinated would have likely boosted her immunity.