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>No such promise was made, ever, it was floated but it was never written down in any treaty or even publicly announced. It's putins propaganda and if Chomsky had any shame he would be ashamed for parroting it.

Oh, I actually had tried to look up this subject before. Didn't know there was no agreement and this would explain why I couldnt find it.

I think we could debate the need for Ukraine to be in NATO? Ukraine isn't exactly in the North Atlantic.

If Ukraine wanted a defensive alliance, there was many options other than NATO. There's even the option of creating your own. They did none.

If I were NATO. I would ignore Ukraine. Get the rest of the atlantic countries joined up. South and central america. West African countries.