[bonzini]

> still not every salaried person can have a default pre-compiled tax draft that they can just sign on the Internet and get approved. You have to go and compile it one from scratch

This has changed several years ago.

> you had to pay an annual tax to validate your passport

Keyword being had. It's gone for like 10 years.

[lnxg33k1]

Yeah like I am not sure, when I was living in London, not being Schengen, at a certain point I got in mind to just go to "Questura" and make my electronic passport so that I could go through the fast automatic gate, I went there, paid the "Bollo", and I explained that I had to depart in a couple of days, and I just got the e-passport the morning I had to depart.. like it was blazing fast, I mean for my experience, getting passports in Italy is really a no-brainer

[squarefoot]

Some things have been sped up a lot (thanks to the EU), however in some cases bureaucracy still slows down even the simplest document request. Personal experience: I want to relocate, so last summer I found a new home and quickly paid a 20K Euros non refundable (in case of withdraw) deposit upfront. Unfortunately I later discovered that my own home can't be sold at market value, or to be more accurate to be purchased at market value with an authorized mortgage, because it was originally intended as (can't translate the proper Italian term) roughly half-owned-by-the-state-property which was a formula intended to help poor families to buy their home for cheap in city developing areas during the 80s. I have no resources to buy the new home without selling the old one first, and no intentions of getting into debt for it.

To make it short, if I want to sell my home at market value to someone paying with a mortgage (likely 98% of buyers need one) I have to request some documentation which involves a tax, which in my case amounts to 5K Euros, plus a notary lawyer for documents filling and transmission which cost a few hundreds Euros. All fine and dandy, too bad that the mean time between the document request and when it is being released amounts to 7-8 months! Big WTF... 7-8 months for a fucking stamp on a piece of paper, plus hopefully one record in a database! I filled, paid and sent the request last January, let's see how much time will it need. I am extremely lucky that the owner of the home I'm buying will wait until next summer, and I'll have to deposit more money to drag it further, or I would have lost all my deposit only because of bureaucracy.

[lnxg33k1]

That sucks sorry, good luck.. I’m so lucky that I dont own an house and can’t afford a mortgage in any way :D

[darkwater]

I always had to do several hoops and loops through the consulate to get my 1st and then renew my passport abroad. But maybe we Italians living abroad are a snowflake and an edge case in this regard (like, I still renewed 6 months ago my ID card and it is still made of fucking paper)

[lnxg33k1]

Soon after that I got also my e-id, what a bloody win not being watched anymore like a neanderthaler every time I had to show my ID :D (but I lost the PIN) (But then I got the SPID and didn't need the e-ID anymore :D)

[darkwater]

For SPID I'm also trapped in some loop where I can't get it easily from abroad, and I still don't understand why.

[lnxg33k1]

Have you tried Aruba? I have done remotely up to the level 2 with them, and the verification compared to the one from Poste is just via webcam, you just hop on a chat with them, move your head left and right, make a jump, a turn, hold your ID close to your face and the guy just approves the identity, try if you haven't thought of them yet

[emme]

And you can use it with a standard OTP generator: https://github.com/andry08/ArubaOTP-seed-extractor

[kwere]

with Sielte i did the SPID online in three days

[darkwater]

> This has changed several years ago.

AFAIK not yet for everybody

> Keyword being had. It's gone for like 10 years.

I think it's less, but in my last renewal in 2017 I had to pay over 100€ all at once which is ridiculous (but at least less ridiculous than having to put a 10€ physical "marca da bollo" each and every year).

[bonzini]

> AFAIK not yet for everybody

For all employees (lavoratori dipendenti) and retired people.