[eole666]

"But fission is already not competitive with solar/wind + storage." Any source about that ? It just sounds like an arbitrary anti-nuclear opinion without any evidence backing it. But I'm still cursious if you have anything serious to prove this claim.

[ncmncm]

I could go google that for you. But, why?

Innumerable commercial entities are building out solar and wind farms as fast as they can scare up capital. Literally not a single purely commercially-backed nuke plant has ever been built in 70+ years. Not one. Capital did build and operate coal plants, at a profit. But nobody is building new coal plants, anymore. Even operating an existing coal plant is not competitive any more; coal plants are being shut down with no plan ever to re-open, exactly as fast as solar and wind come on line.

Nukes are made out of steel, concrete, plumbing, and pumps. None of those are getting cheaper. They produce power by blasting steam through enormous turbines, that need regular expensive maintenance, not getting cheaper. Mining and refining uranium is expensive and not getting cheaper. Solar and wind generation cost have been declining at an exponential rate for two decades, and are still falling. Can you even conceive of an exponentially declining cost not crossing any given constant cost?

Suppose you figured out a way to get power from nukes at half the cost, and that was less than renewables just now. How long would it be before they undercut that, again? Would you be able to finish building one, in that amount of time?

There is no future for fission, and even less for fusion.

[eole666]

"Literally not a single purely commercially-backed nuke plant has ever been built in 70+ years. Not one."

Sure, let's check wikipedia to see how this is not true : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_nuclear_rea...

Also, after googling it: yes indeed, in some countries renewable energies are more competitive than fission. But that's not the case everywhere : https://www.iea.org/reports/projected-costs-of-generating-el... Or maybe you were just talking about the US, in this case your statement might be true.

I hope renewable energies cost will keep decreasing as much as it did those last ten years but I'm not as optimistic as you are.

[ncmncm]

Supposed purely commercial plants are always, it turns out, massively subsidized. At minimum, they are absolutely protected against liability, so do not need to try to find an insurer, never mind pay premiums to one.

And, mining and refining fuel has been massively subsidized.