[adamkl]

I like that quote, but it's the Rails idioms and conventions that make hairballs, not the fact that it includes a bunch of batteries.

[capableweb]

Adopting any framework is quite literally adopting the framework's idioms and conventions so not sure how that is different.

[adamkl]

It was a general comment about frameworks. It’s possible to have a framework that includes all the “batteries” but has idioms and conventions that promote simplicity and maintenance.

Rails chose idioms and conventions that prioritize speed at the cost of complexity. The “included batteries” are not the problem.