[JohnHaugeland]

It's stupid to fret about nuclear waste.

All plants, worldwide over all human history, for 20% of the power production of the entire planet, 100% green, have produced less than one half of one football field of barrels.

We can stop climate change on one field of barrels every 31 years

Thanks to mining byproducts, nuclear produces less and lower level radioactive waste than solar or wind

Zero humans in history have died from nuclear waste

It's just something scared people say to sound like they know something important

[tucosan]

In the meantime, a barebones crew operates Chernobyl infrastructure, while the sacrophagus was shelled by Russian troops.

Europes nuclear power Zaporizhzhia plant is surrounded by Russian troops and sustained damage:

> At 11:28pm local time on the 3 March 2022, a column of 10 Russian armored vehicles and two tanks cautiously approached the Power Plant.[18][19][20] The action commenced at 12:48am on the 4 March when Ukraine forces fired anti tank missiles and Russian forces responded with a variety of weapons, including rocket-propelled grenades.[19] During approximately two hours of heavy fighting a fire broke out in a training facility outside of the main complex, which was extinguished by 6:20am,[21][22] though other sections surrounding the plant sustained damage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Enerhodar

[JohnHaugeland]

> In the meantime, a barebones crew operates Chernobyl infrastructure, while the sacrophagus was shelled by Russian troops.

and even under these conditions, once again, zero deaths

the point you're trying to make actually works against you

[gruturo]

> and even under these conditions, once again, zero deaths

I agree with your point, but for the record there's apparently been one death due to radiation (and possibly more to come): After the fighting was over, the russian soldiers seem to have camped in the Red Forest (absolutely the most contaminated area after the reactor structure itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Forest ), dug trenches and eaten local animals. And continued doing so for a month.

[kataklasm]

Most (if not all) nuclear scientists and radiation experts I've seen tslking about this say this is a wrong assumption. Cheryl Rofer, former nuclear scientist, made a napkin calculation and suggested it would need about 57 years of camping in the hottest (= most irradiated) parts of the red forest to acquire ARS (acute radiation syndrome). Even if the digging and kicking up dust there elevated the radioactivity levels, it would take a hell of a lot to get from 57 years to one month. Keep in mind that the most radioactive snd thus dangerous elements also decay the quickest, because of course both properties stem from the same thing, redioactive decay. The more dangerous the quicker it's gone.

[gruturo]

Radiation in the red forest is supposedly not terrible _ if you don't disturb the soil _

All the nastier bits are under a layer of "clean" soil and you would have no contact with them ordinarily.

These soldiers actually dug down to the nasty bits and likely breathed some of the dust in.

Between that, and eating wildlife (which acts as a powerful concentrator), I'm not surprised they died. The exposure must have been thousands of times above the already non-insignificant baseline.

[goodpoint]

> and even under these conditions, once again, zero deaths

Huge strawman. By the same logic one could claim that climate change is not a big deal because the worst hasn't happened yet.

[Daishiman]

Still better than losing half of the biosphere due to climate change.

[natmaka]

Could be an argument with nuclear as the sole "source" (way to produce electricity), but there are many other ones.

[krageon]

> less than one half of one football field

This is not a useful metric, except to impress folks that know almost nothing about the field. Even then it is misleading, because the storage requirements are so strenuous that it cannot be assumed to be done well.

> We can stop climate change on one field of barrels every 31 years

Instead, we will have radioactive children in 50 years.

> Zero humans in history have died from nuclear waste

Quite simply a fabrication.

[exabrial]

If you're going to have strong opinions, at least be educated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aUODXeAM-k