[netizen-936824]

People also don't know how their machines should operate if they've always bought into the shitty ecosystem where sacrifices are made and computation is throttled because "aesthetics"

Not to mention the e-waste, that's probably the biggest issue

Apple is terrible if you care about ecosystems

[etempleton]

Depends. Apple products are often not upgradable, but they are reliable. My 2015 Macbook Pro was my daily driver for 7 years and I just now replaced it with a Macbook Air that I will probably use for 7 more years. I only replaced it because it was outdated in terms of processor speed. Most laptops aren't all that upgradable to begin with, so I think the tradeoff makes sense for laptop computers and devices.

For desktop computers I don't think that same equation makes sense. If you need desktop power you have specific requirements and probably have specific peripherals that you use. You will want to always have the fastest hardware and so you want as much flexibility as possible. Apple doesn't provide this so the only people who tend to use Apple desktops are creative professionals where MacOS has some advantages and Apple hardware is always correctly calibrated out of the box.

[KingJulian]

> Depends. Apple products are often not upgradable, but they are reliable. My 2015 Macbook Pro was my daily driver for 7 years and I just now replaced it with a Macbook Air that I will probably use for 7 more years. I only replaced it because it was outdated in terms of processor speed. Most laptops aren't all that upgradable to begin with, so I think the tradeoff makes sense for laptop computers and devices.

True. My late-2011 13" MacBook Pro is still running strong, albeit for the poor battery life. 5 years back, I upgraded the RAM to 16 GB, and swapped out the HDD and the DVD drive for SSDs. It gets the job done even today. All it needs is a battery replacement.

> For desktop computers I don't think that same equation makes sense. If you need desktop power you have specific requirements and probably have specific peripherals that you use. You will want to always have the fastest hardware and so you want as much flexibility as possible. Apple doesn't provide this so the only people who tend to use Apple desktops are creative professionals where MacOS has some advantages and Apple hardware is always correctly calibrated out of the box.

Exactly. They know that they cater to a very specific group of people.

[netizen-936824]

They might not be as upgradeable as desktops, but generally they are slightly more repairable than apple devices. Reparability is the major driver behind ewaste