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by traceroute66 1539 days ago
> Do they still have a haywire fraud detection system that randomly freezes innocent people's accounts? I

As others have pointed out already, AML/KYC laws are strict. They are strict in general for financial services, but for banks, because of their privileged position in the financial system, its even stricter.

But there is a second aspect which is that challenger banks such as Monzo take an even more cookie-cutter approach. If you don't fit their definition of what a "client" is then you will be in for a hard time. Normal banks do this too (to a degree) but challenger banks are much more hard-core about it because if you fall outside the cookie-cutter then you mess up their fragile business model.

Case in point, I know of a well-known, well-established, UK VoIP operator. They moved their business over to one of these challenger banks (might have been Monzo !) because the challenger bank provided APIs to enable integration to their internal systems, which is something that the old-school high-street bank did not offer - and the banking fees were lower too, always a bonus !

TL;DR: $challenger_bank had a definition of a client that did not include provision of VoIP services. So after about a year as a client, said VoIP provider found their account frozen (in this instance they were explicitly told, it wasn't a silent freeze). VoIP provider attempted to constructively engage with $challenger_bank but it was like talking to a brick wall "computer says no".

(N.B. I have oversimplified the story a bit, so please don't nitpick !)

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Is it Andrews & Arnold? I remember their director blogging about moving the business to Monzo so they can get real-time webhooks for incoming payments. I've just checked and they still appear to be using Monzo as per their "bank details" page.
> Is it Andrews & Arnold?

Nope, not them. I'm surprised they haven't been frozen given Monzo's stated policy[1]:

"Certain industries have higher risks, where we need to put extra checks and controls in place. We’re currently focusing on industries that don’t need these. In future, we might offer accounts to some of these industries. But we appreciate this is disappointing for some businesses at the moment."

Followed by a long list that includes "technology equipment, like lasers or telecommunications"

(For those wondering, telecoms wasn't there at the time the other guys had an account, and they were not selling equipment anyway)

[1] https://monzo.com/i/business/eligibility/