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by bernulli 1534 days ago
I mean something different: no one has ever measured a critical volume, your dp/dv flatlines at the critical point, i.e. there is no driving force to make the fluid balance out the naturally occurring fluctuations, indeed relaxation times go to infinity at the critical point. An EOS only gives you the thermodynamic equilibrium value, attained when you let it sit for times much larger than the relaxation times.

The Widom line(s) are somewhat arbitrarily and ambiguously defined, so I'm not a big fan (pseudo boiling all the way!), but the whole point there is that there is no phase equilibrium at supercritical conditions. However, just because we never observe supercritical liquids and gases simultaneously in equilibrium, does not mean they don't exist. They absolutely do and do lead to a phase transition between liquids and gases - just not coexisting.

This also means that your other comment needs a revision: we absolutely do have something akin to boiling at supercritical conditions, even with macroscopic effects, such as the (subcritical) boiling crisis <> (supercritical) heat transfer deterioration.

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Of course! we are urgently in need of a "critical boiling" relation. At the moment we are using critical isochores as a way to "extend" the saturation curve, but it is less than ideal (at least they can be calculated quickly).

I agree with the Widom line, at the moment i haven't found any concrete relation to calculate those from a equation of state functional. if there is something concrete, i would be glad to code it.

That's what I work on, I'll send you an email (if I find your address somewhere)!
Also - could you explain why you don't count van der Waals' equation among the cubic EOS?