[tychobrahe]

Ever heard of "blame the game, not the player"? Trying to put all the blame on Steve Jobs' shoulder, right after his death, is horrendous.

Steve Jobs wasn't the enemy of freedom RMS paints him as. That he personally wrote letters against DRM on media-stores and against the closed-platform called Flash asking everyone to favor HTML5 made much much difference in those two specific areas than most things Stallman did lately.

(Funny, reminds me that that FOSS advocates here on NH are okay with Android prolonging Flash's life and using closed-source software only as a means to gain market share)

Granted, he never open sourced the whole operating system, but why would he? To see Apple collapse again while Dell/HP and others strive? What's the point? Then we start all over again? We'll have open-source chips manufactured by 2 or 3 companies? What's the fucking point?

Seriously, I'm tired of Stallman's half-assed socialism. It's an offense to me. You don't destroy capitalism by destroying companies, or people. You destroy capitalism by destroying the core of it...

[tallanvor]

I actually agree with Stallman, not because I believe everything has to be FOSS, but because I believe users should have the freedom to make their own decisions about how they use their devices, and that's something that Apple products work hard to remove - case in point, their refusal to allow Flash to run on iOS. They may not want it there and HTML5 may be the better choice in the long run, but they are denying users the option to decide for themselves.

[coffeeaddicted]

Stallman doesn't even want that users know about that option. From Wikiquote: "The Adobe flash plug-in is non-free software, and people should not install it, or suggest installing it, or even tell people it exists."

[cookiecaper]

This is different than "people should write their operating systems to proactively disallow installation of non-free software."

Note that the FSF even produces and distributes builds for Windows. Here's an example: http://www.gnu.org/s/mit-scheme . Most FSF projects that don't produce Windows builds directly provide information on where they can be found.

Stallman may not want people raising the profile of proprietary software, but he certainly doesn't advocate cathedral-style control of a users' computing platform.

[wnight]

> Ever heard of "blame the game, not the player"?

Yeah, it's ridiculous. The "player" makes the choices, they get the blame.

Every time I see someone talking about how they just do what they have to do to feed their kids someone else steps up to say that they feed their kids without hurting others.

> Steve Jobs wasn't the enemy of freedom RMS paints him as. That he personally wrote letters against DRM on media-stores and against the closed-platform called Flash asking everyone to favor HTML5

Sure, against some DRM. But the iPhone and iPad are locked down.

Really, he was just against the other guy's walled garden while trying to steal bricks from it for his own.

> Funny, reminds me that that FOSS advocates here on NH are okay with Android prolonging Flash's life [...]

I wasn't aware I had to complain against all problems in every post. The love-in for Steve prompted these complaints. If there was a love-in for Android you'd see the anti-Android opinions coming out.

> Seriously, I'm tired of Stallman's half-assed socialism. It's an offense to me.

I don't think you know what the word means. I believe you're pretty offended though.

> You don't destroy capitalism by destroying companies, or people. You destroy capitalism by destroying the core of it...

Oh, do tell, our fully-assed socialist leader.

[tychobrahe]

> I believe you're pretty offended though.

And so are you, it seems... ;)

EDIT: Since you cherry-picked my points and completely ignored what I tried to say in order to attack me, I'll just repeat what I wrote, since it's what I would reply anyway.

    Trying to put all the blame on Steve Jobs' shoulder, right after his death, is horrendous.

    ...made much much difference in those two specific areas than most things Stallman did lately.

(notice the "specific areas")

    Granted, he never open sourced the whole operating system, but why would he? To see Apple collapse again while Dell/HP and others strive? What's the point? Then we start all over again? We'll have open-source chips manufactured by 2 or 3 companies? What's the fucking point?