[akg0]

First, non-determinism would have to be demonstrated.

[jQueryIsAwesome]

The problem is, all the things we don't understand could be labed as non-determined (i.e: quantum particles moving "randomly")

[akg0]

I don't see how. "Not predictable given what I've observed so far" is a long way from "not predictable".

[jQueryIsAwesome]

Wierd... because i think those are the same.

[Jach]

They only appear non-determined when you think of them as particles or waves. They're neither.