[faho]

> anti-systemd hacker/tinkerer types who will be much happier over at Arch

When you're anti-systemd, you won't be happier over at Arch, considering systemd is the only supported init system in Arch - in contrast to Debian, which supports alternatives.

[eternityforest]

I'm not exactly sure why Debian supports alternatives, that seems like a terrible idea when you're already stretched thin, but most everything else about it seems to be less tinkerer-friendly then Arch.

Seems like a lot more people can kind of grudgingly tolerate systemd, but they really seem to hate outdated packages, and anything "unnecessary"..

Some of them are pretty neutral on systemd itself, or have given up on fighting it.

They seem to mostly just want maximum ability to build their own system

[rascul]

> I'm not exactly sure why Debian supports alternatives

Debian has hurd and freebsd ports for which systemd is not available.

[eternityforest]

Supporting hurd and freebsd ports doesn't exactly seem like the best use of resouces for a smaller-than-google team either, but then again it might be important if losing those would also mean losing some key contributors.