[nopenopenopeno]

All of them were won by fierce mass labor movements, which were then aggressively suppressed and wiped from the curriculums during the McCarthyist era, prior to the neoliberal era. And those hard-won protections have been eroding ever since. These things don’t just fall from the sky.

Since you mention “work hour limits”, look up the Haymarket Strike in Chicago that won the 40 hour work week for private employees in the US, but not before police shot and killed 4 peacefully striking workers.

[ethbr0]

Yes. That's what the rough and tumble reality of freedom in a democracy looks like.

> You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Capitalism or a society. Pick one.

You can have both. It just comes with people giving a shit and putting their lives and careers on the line in an organized fashion.

Which seems like a bargain, given the only alternatives have collapsed into "neither."

[nopenopenopeno]

If getting shot to death for not working is freedom then what do you consider slavery?

If organized workers withholding their collective labor to exercise power over the means of production is capitalism, then what do you consider socialism?

[ethbr0]

> If getting shot...

Not answering a strawman.

> If organized workers withholding their collective labor to exercise power over the means of production is capitalism, then what do you consider socialism?

Worker organization being mandatory and controlled by a bureaucracy, as opposed to freely opted in, from among a diverse set of independent options.