[pjerem]

Interestingly, I thought like you some years ago. But since then, I realized that, nah, we just need to make cities that don't require cars at all.

I'm not against self driving cars, they'll totally save millions of lives. But we must not make the mistake to build our society around the fact that self driving cars are a thing. We must build our future around the fact that any city should be livable without a car.

[agloeregrets]

This. Coming from the rust belt, NYC was shock and awe for me and it isn't even a good example. But I get a bunch of people who ask me "How do you park when you visit?!" I don't...in town. I get a PATH train in NJ and forget the car. It is freeing and the Subway system works well enough for anyone. I wish I didn't live in a Stroad hellscape.

[Turing_Machine]

Some of us (maybe most of us) don't want to live in a human Habitrail like NYC.

[pjerem]

Still, you can live without cars outside NYC.

I’m currently living in the French countryside in a 3k people village. I do have a car but I barely need it on a daily basis : I WFH or take the 20 min train to my office (currently writing from my train running at 160kmh - 99MPH) and I have a grocery shop at 5 min of walk from my home.

I do have "luck" (well, it’s not really luck since I choose to live there) because even in France/Europe, it’s far from the norm.

But it’s possible and working solutions exists all over the world, just waiting to be copied.

[mxuribe]

I came to the conclusion myself. So, yeah, the primary goal should be to make communities that do not require cars at all...but the second-best thing i think we can do is to take the humans out of the control of cars for communities that already built. (Obviously, as we change even the established communities, any changes should shift towards a place without the need for cars too.)

[eddieroger]

I think it's important to acknowledge that not everyone wants to live a life that doesn't require a car. A car is a surrogate for other problems, like poor city planning and bad public transit, but even in the best of cases, it's a perfectly valid desire to be removed from urban centers and living and being willing to transport in to those areas when needed.