[Shadonototra]

Security wise, it is not a good idea to consume WASM libraries "as is", ask for the source, read it, and compile it yourself

You don't want to be in a position to ship code to production with binary code that could potentially be harmful

Off topic: Please don't mess up the way my browser scroll pages, it is infuriating

[aseipp]

In the case of NPM consumers of wasm libraries, it often isn't realistic option "as-is", since they won't have the toolchain needed to build the code. Rust is a lot more well oiled than C/C++ in this regard but it's a bit of a hassle to line things up and keep things reliable and reproducible. (Good luck if the blob is not only C/C++ but uses 3rd party dependencies on top of that, which often require even more hurdles). If you don't use the pre-built blob you'll often have to 'insert' it otherwise into the library, somehow, which is its own chore. So it's all a bit chicken and egg at some level. Now, it's not like a lot of these packages ever followed best practices in this regard (I'm reminded of many Ruby, Python, JS packages that love to ship random .so files, and often do it incorrectly) but it is what it is.

That said I generally agree with the premise, and even with sandboxing you should vet dependencies like these where appropriate if you can. A good example of this is something like an image decoder versus a database library (both of these being real scenarios; e.g. using a pure-Rust implementation of some SQL protocol.) The first one I probably wouldn't worry too about much, you're just giving it pixels in and getting pixels out. But the second one is likely worth a bit of scrutiny since it interfaces directly with a sensitive component.

[dgb23]

Can you elaborate on that? From what I know, WASM is a safe, rather abstract bytecode format and has far less API capabilites as JS has (which is why you need to call it from JS to affect the browser).

[johannes1234321]

The concern is the same as with any dependency: The dependency runs under your privileges with access to your data. A malice vendor could do "anything" at least within the scope of your application.

For instance if you create a web mail application the code probably has access to all mails, can delete them, can send mail under the user's identity, ...

How relevant those scenarios are you have to evaluate.

If you compile yourself, you can verify the source to increase trust. If you just get the binary, you have to trust the vendor more.

[dgb23]

But again, it's not "just" a binary. You provide the interfaces to it that actually affect the world. I agree with the general implications of using a dependency though.

[gwbas1c]

At least in in-browser Blazor (C# compiled to WASM) I have full access to the page's Javascript environment: I can call most Javascript methods available, and I can even call eval.

I'm still new to WASM, but I assume this functionality is part of the WASM runtime? (As opposed to a hook that's part of the Javascript part of Blazor?)

[jitl]

You are assuming wrong, this is Blazor’s JS support library. By “default” WebAssembly has nothing outside the WASM bytecode, not even memory/allocator. It’s up to the host environment to provide the WASM module a Memory and whatever “imports” it needs.

[klibertp]

Memory can also be statically reserved in a binary, like the .data section in x86 asm. IIRC (tell me if I'm very wrong) Emscripten malloc works by reserving a large buffer up front and then managing pointers to (parts of) it. Otherwise, you can allocate memory buffer dynamically from JS[1] and pass the pointer to it to the WASM. Obviously, you can do this in response to the request coming from WASM, but you don't have to.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe...

[johannes1234321]

It is true, that you have to expose things first. However as soon as any non-trivial object is shared from JS to WASM it is likely that some reference to something global, to the DOM, ... is nested in there. And that makes all other attempts to limit access void. (DOM give networking etc )

[klibertp]

I think you actually can't pass any non-trivial object to WASM. The only thing you can pass to and get out of WASM (IIRC) is a chunk of linear memory, a buffer. I don't think it's possible to obtain a raw pointer to an object on a JS side - passing that would be very unsafe, but also pretty much useless, unless you knew precisely the memory layout of said object. If you need to expose operations on a more complex objects to WASM, you need to encode the object identity somehow (as a number, or a buffer) and expose an API that will decode the object reference and call the needed function/method on it.

[johannes1234321]

When using emscripten you get the full marshalling of objects.

Doing a network request from C++:

   val xhr = val::global("XMLHttpRequest").new_();
  xhr.call<void>("open", std::string("GET"), std::string("http://url"));

https://emscripten.org/docs/api_reference/val.h.html#val-h

Of course this can be thrown out of the JavaScript binding side so that it isn't there anymore, but the marshalling makes the API nice and so many emscripten users will use it, thus it's present, thus you have to trust the wasm library.

How complicated this is without emscripten i don't know, but even then I guess many people will need some marshalling for real life scenarios.

[jitl]

The great thing about WASM is that you don’t need to audit the binary - just the code that touches the binary through the WebAssembly.* namespace. If the code looks too complicated, or exposes eval or equivalent capabilities like arbitrary JS function calls, then you should approach with caution and build yourself, etc etc.

Most WASM libraries I’ve considered using (and the one I package myself) use an off-the-shelf Emscripten wrapper minified with Google Closure Compiler. This is annoying to audit compared to plain JS, but certainly doable with a few rename-symbol in your editor.