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by furyofantares 1549 days ago
When people say they move off gmail because the stakes are too high, I've kind of bought into that line -- the stakes are very high in terms of having e-mail be the main way recover all sorts of other accounts. But then I've tried to get myself to switch email providers and it doesn't actually make any sense to me.

Do I really believe, say, protonmail is less likely to screw me than gmail? Why?

What are the actual odds of gmail screwing me? They're huge, a few horror stories don't indicate much. And protonmail is small, the fact that I haven't heard horror stories doesn't mean much. (Not trying to pick on protonmail specifically, I think this all applies to any other provider I've seen suggested.)

Maybe the alternatives are in fact less likely to screw me due to some bullshit reason, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure with most other providers I'm more likely to get screwed for a technical reason, or because the company goes under, or because the company changes hands, or, if it's a paid service, because I fail to pay for some reason and the service doesn't degrade to free nicely.

I think switching to hotmail might make sense. They're a similar size to gmail, but I haven't heard the horror stories. And they're similar in all the other ways, unlikely to have a major technical problem, unlikely to change hands or go under, and I can't forget to pay them because it's free.

I'm just not convinced there's other better alternatives. If the stakes are too high the solution is probably just to make the stakes less high.

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For me, it's less about Gmail as a service and more about Google as an ecosystem. They won't just mess up your Gmail, but also your YouTube, Stadia, Photos, Gvoice, and many, many more.

If Proton screws up, you just lost your email, not your entire digital life.

You can make more than one google account, though
And all of them can be banned, since Google can correlate them.
I guess the main thing is not so much to move off gmail or that protonmail is better, but to not have your email be dependent on Gmail.

Ie dont be joe.bloggs@gmail.com or have anything important tied to that account but rather have a Joe@bloggs.com email that you can use with any provider ... But most importantly move to a new provider in the event of problems without losing access to any of your 3rd party accounts tied to your email

It seems more likely to me that I'll accidentally let my domain expire than that google kills my gmail account
> Do I really believe, say, protonmail is less likely to screw me than gmail? Why?

Yes, I do believe that <any email provider I pay> is less likely to screw me than gmail.

The reason is that Google ties things everything together--even if you created multiple accounts. So, if some Google Play AI algorithm decides that my login is compromised, everything can get shut down. If I post something on YouTube that the Googleplex AI doesn't like, everything can get shut down.

Random email provider isn't going to suspend my email account because the YouTube AI got pissy.

Yes, any provider can screw you. But when that happens, I just want to be able to speak to a human about it.
isn't hotmail dead? I thought microsoft bought msn and hotmail. Isn't it now @outlook.com email domains and no new hotmail accounts? I have some family members that have hotmail addresses but thats due to legacy support.
The MS in MSN stands for Microsoft, launched by Microsoft in 1995. Microsoft did indeed buy Hotmail.. in 1997 before google was even founded (1998). They have mostly retired the email addresses (you can instead get @outlook.TLD or @live.TLD addresses) but as you say, some have managed to maintain them for legacy reasons.