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by yesco 1548 days ago
Okay then your "logical appeal" is unconvincing, I disagree that eating meat is uneccessary.
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You disagree with every major nutritional and dietetic institute around the world. Google it.
No, provide me the sources if you want to use them as a part of your argument.
In an argument, if you're trying to convince the other person to support your beliefs, you wouldn't use clearly biased sources like you did here. I have no argument with you specifically but just pointing it out for the future that people will dismiss any biased sources you give them, which is probably not what you want the outcome to be in an argumentative fashion.
You mean Kaiser Permanente? And Harvard Medical School? And The American Institute for Cancer Research? And the British Dietetic Association? And the Mayo Clinic?

What biases are you talking about?

The site you linked is affiliated with vegan causes, is it not? Just because the sources are from those institutions does not mean they aren't cherry picked for that specific cause. I can also quote journals with conclusions justifying omnivorous consumption as well [0] but those would be just as cherry picked.

[0] https://sapienjournal.org/people-who-eat-meat-experience-low...

I believe a logical implication of your 'argument' is that you think vegans don't exist. Is that really the case?
I believe vegan diets are detrimental to health, I consider being healthy necessary for human life. I realize vegans like to imply the opposite but not only has the evidence been unconvincing, but I frankly have never met a healthy looking vegan in real life.

Not that any actual evidence or true rational argument has been provided by such parties in this comment chain. Appealing to emotion and agressively stating what you want to be true are simply not conductive to a productive argument.

How would you know if someone you met is a healthy vegan?…
Vegans are pretty vocal so it’s pretty easy to identify them. It’s like the CrossFit of diet regimens in that they self announce quite a bit.

I’m sure there are some quiet vegans, and it’s possible that I just don’t know people well enough to know whether they are vegan. I’ve met dozens of vegans over he years and friends with many. As I’m friends with them, I’m aware of their health issues or lack of health issues.

Ignoring the fact that you still would have clue who you meet is a healthy vegan because why the hell would that come up casually when meeting random people throughout the day, your belief is the opposite of every major nutritional and dietetic association around the world. I linked to the collection of those official stances elsewhere in the thread.

That means that not only do you claim to have a better understanding of nutrition than those organizations and the thousands of nutritionists and scientists they represent, but you are able to determine your correctness by merely talking to the vegans you’ve met.

That means you’re able to also trivially determine if someone’s health issues are caused directly by veganism, rather than merely present in a vegan.

That is a level of delusion and arrogance I genuinely cannot comprehend.

I was referring to friends of mine who are or were vegan.

> As I’m friends with them, I’m aware of their health issues or lack of health issues.

Of course I come in contact with lots of random people who are vegan but I certainly don’t know them well enough to understand their health.

I am also aware of the health of my non-vegan friends as well.

You can’t just disagree with a fact. There are plenty of examples of people who live normal life spans without eating meat.
There are plenty of examples of people who lived normal lifespans without using electricity, without modern medicine, without central heating, without running water...

So what?

Provide them then, real hard evidence that lifespans are unaffected by the average person with a vegan diet.