[jabiko]

We use microk8s on our dev clusters and its really great when an automatic upgrade goes sideways. Also using channels didn't help since even a minor upgrade managed to break our setup once.

The last half year or so went ok, but not being able to stop automatic upgrades is ridiculous. In general I like opinionated software, but sometimes it goes to far.

[gjsman-1000]

Canonical currently has their head in the sand for how Linux users at large see it.

If you try to talk about how Linux distributions don’t like it, they’ll just say, “but Snap is available on all the distributions” or some crap cop-out.

I had a long forum thread about all the issues people are complaining about half a decade ago. They wouldn’t budge, and still won’t budge.

[kd913]

Linux users are some of the most opinionated people. At the end of the day, money/convenience matters. Why exactly would they pay attention to you when they have their own priorities?

Snaps reduce reduce their maintenance burdens, and they have the stats themselves for how popular they are. They are by and far more used than flatpaks from what I remember from the video by Martin Wimpress.

Oh and they have third party buy-in from software vendors like Mozilla, Microsoft, VLC, JetBrains, Spotify, slack etc...

Why would they budge?

[gjsman-1000]

So according to a Snap developer, Snap is more popular on Ubuntu, the only distribution that comes with it preloaded. That does not say anything about Snap’s popularity.

Vendor interest they have, community interest they lack. And if it continues, lack of community interest will result in a lack of vendor interest.

[kd913]

They literally have stats for each snap download and install.

https://snapcraft.io/slack

You see the map at the bottom with a list of OSes?

They have the interest, commercial and from the populace. Vendors have already integrated it into their pipelines.

What they don't have is the vocal minority. Frankly I don't get why people care so much, if you don't like it switch to something else. No need to whine about it online. They aren't preventing you from using flatpak.

[gjsman-1000]

In what world do unlabeled graphs count as stats? There’s also no counter for how many downloads there were, or any other useful statistic. They are just bars of various lengths with no explanation on what the lengths actually mean.

> Frankly I don't get why people care so much, if you don't like it switch to something else. No need to whine about it online. They aren't preventing you from using flatpak.

Then, in that case, by that logic, there’s no reason for you to whine about my whining.

[kd913]

A dev on snapcraft can see the install count (I know).

A dev at Canonical can absolutely see how many install counts are there and if the venture is worth it.

>no explanation on what the lengths actually mean.

>Then, in that case, by that logic, there’s no reason for you to whine about my whining.

They don't care what you say, they don't care about the whining here. You aren't paying to support it either.

Feel free to switch to another packaging solution, or even a new OS. It won't affect Canonical's bottom line.